Did anybody ever see anything peculiar in the Liston-Clay I fight

McGrain,

Should I be expecting those left shoulder x-rays in the mail before Christmas.

I never said Liston faked a shoulder injury. I said, that it would be pretty hard to
hear Sonny's shoulder pop from the lower rung area, below the ring apron, with
the general noise in that Convention Hall and fan chatter.

For God's Sake, Liston and Clay didn't hear the bell ring ending the First Round,
the bell was banged 3 or 4 times before they stopped.

And Jack Nilon heard Sonny's shoulder pop, but couldn't hear the bell ring ending the First Round?

Ain't this fun!

 

McGrain,

I like battling with you,,, your a good man!

But I'm focusing on the overall, not just the fights.

Look who was in-line for a title fight if Sonny Liston won,
Eddie Machen.
That fight would have been a 'dog' in the closed circuit theatres.
And there was not much money to be made on the 'live gate'.
No-way was the public or any boxing commision going to approve a
Liston-Patterson III.
And the European contingent had no interest in Liston.

Look what they got, Ali-Liston II with $3,500,000 in closed circuit revenue
guaranteed.
Exactly what they wanted.

 

McGrain,
If Eddie Machen was not the next one up,,,,,,,,,,,,who was?

Walter Minskoff, Eddie's new manager since February 1963 (who guided him through the 5 straight Knock-out wins)
and Eddie Machen were brought in to Miami for the Title Fight.
Machen's name was tossed arouund as the next in-line in Miami.
Preliminary discussions about a Title shot were to take place, after the Liston-Clay fight.

Eddie had beaten Doug Jones at the Convention Hall in Miami, back on 12/2/61, when Eddie was
the #2 Ranked Heavyweight. He had been unbeaten since that time, and the only minor blemish was a Draw with Cleveland Williams in 1962.

PetethePrince,

I have no idea on what the odds were for a 1st Round KO.
But Sonny was an 8-5 Favorite in the Re-Match.

Not sure what Betting-Parlor in Lewiston, Maine was taking odds on the fight.
But the over/under for attendance was 4200.
If you bet under, you won. (Attendance was 2434)8)8)

The Boston Globe reporting on the fight;
'The worst mess in the history of sports'

 

Active and/or Ranked Heavyweights.
Also, the lighter guys Sugar Ray and Luis Rodriguez.

Rocky Marciano would have given Ali a better fight in Lewiston, Maine.