Roy Jones Jr & Emanuel Steward were "On The Ropes" - NOW AVAILABLE ON DEMAND! 7/13

There wasn't really much to score the Bika fight on, but Ward did seem to land with the odd cleaner shot round by round imo

 

Damn right he put on a clinic, Health Clinic, Kessler got his eyes ****ed up pretty bad from deliberate head butts all night long! Any fighter would get demoralized and not getting any help from the ref to stop fouling. Kessler made the mistake of being a gentleman, and instead should have just fought fire with fire, but if you think you can use that win to elevate Ward to top of the tree you are mistaken.

As for Froch in the Dirrell fight, look at what Froch had to put up with??? constant running, in some rounds not even attempting to throw shots. Then lets not forget Dirrell's "balance" problems, either he's got shitty balance for all his boxing skills, which don't make sense, or he would hurl himself to the ground everytime Froch went near him. Don't use that ***** Dirrell as a measuring stick for Froch being dirty. The guy fights hard and brings it, but Ward does go head butting and elbowing people.

Also if we were measuring fighter's success based on just win loss record, then Muhammed Ali would be nowhere. Sure Ward is undefeated, so what? he's beaten Kessler and Miranda as his notable wins and never a win outside the US.

As for Resume you admit that Froch has the better resume, having fought all over the place, against some tough guys and is a two time champ, yet you still rate Ward ahead? unbelievable!!! There is NO basis then to rank Ward ahead of Froch.

Talk about desperation!

 

good episode

 

well you gotta realise it's an American show with three American hosts so they will always be biased towards American fighters.


I feel there is too much anti-USA, pro-UK bias in your post, which leads me to assume that you are a brit.

 

In brief she's saying that the best fighter they both fought was Kessler. Who was beaten one sided by Ward and won a close fight against Froch.

 

Don't make me hate you.

 

C'mon man how can you say a faded , shot , half blind old Kessler is better.
Yes I agree with PRIME Kessler being better but not the present Kessler.
And Froch is no way Had & Shoulders above Bute at least not H2H. Didn't you saw the men was losing on points against any guy with good footwork , hand speed and half of brain that had a game plan ? (e.g Taylor/Dirrell/Kessler)
You don't think Bute can be just a little better then a post-prime Taylor and a little more experienced than than Dirrell was at his first title fight. Cuz he will certain have a plan... that's for sure.

 

You guys should invite Bute's trainer Stephan Larouche for once. I'm sure you'll find his quite a knowledgeable guy. Just a suggestion. I'm guessing you can't invite Bute because he doesn't speak English.

 

I gotta disagree with you. You show alot of bias towards American fighters, sometimes blatently. It's not that big a deal.

 

Gotta disagree with virtually all you have said there. Ward may be unbeaten, but his toughest challenge has been Kessler right? at home to Kessler, the same Kessler that Cazaghe dismantled. Ward fouled a lot in this fight and that taints his win. Let me tell you this, Froch losing out to Kessler away from home in a closely fought fight without any fouling, in my eyes not too far off a win which was at home and controvercial. One win, you are basing Ward's credentials on ONE WIN, one big fight in his home town as justification for Ward being the top dog. Don't try and tell me Miranda is a good win, or Alan Green, or even Bika. Bika is a second tier super middle.

You go on about Abraham, but stylistically MANY and including you guys felt he would pose a problem stylisically for Froch in that he's a very dangerous opponent. Now all of a sudden cos his manager said he was a coward, means that wasn't the same Abraham in that fight, just cos his trainer said so! not the fact that Froch took Abraham who fights this way all the time, was made to look very poor. Credit is due to Froch for neautralizing Abraham's strengths. That is actually a better win than Wards win against Kessler.

A top resume consists of more than just one fight! and you are crowning Ward the top guy on the Kessler fight, why can't you look at their achievements on the whole and forget about this win loss and Kessler nonsense! Froch traveled to Taylor's backyard and took him out. Many Americans heavily favoured Taylor at the time, no good saying he was washed up now. Dirrell lost the fight cos he didn't come to fight, as simple as that, and his antics cost him. But it's still a W for Froch and goes on the resume. Froch beat a future LHW champ in Pascal who beat down had Dawson and Diaconu.

What I think is going on, is your hyper praise of Ward exists on 2 levels. Firstly the patriotic one, and secondly the speculative level. Based on his potential and boxing skills you are rating him as number one, rather than achievement. So why not come clean and accept atleast one of the two levels mentioned here, rather than try to say the guy is number 1 based on his acomplishments cos thus far he's not done it, and no amnount of bigging up that Kessler win will fool anyone.

The guy is a potentially great fighter but there has been many potentially great fighters not live up to expectation. Ward has not been pushed as yet in a way Froch has, and it takes alot more than jsut boxing skill to be considered great. Ward still has a way to go, he may or may not get there but he's not the number 1 SMW and is around about Bute's level in terms of achievements.