If Tyson was in shape for the Douglas fight, he would of knocked him out and if..

The thing is though, the the kd that Tyson scored aside, the fight was ridiculously one sided. I can understand when Whitaker is past prime and arguable deserving the win over Oscar, that we can say 'ok then there are grounds to claim that the best version of Whitaker may win this outright', but we're talking about prime Tyson getting a shellacking from Douglas, and then we're going to claim that this happened only because Tyson hadn't trained well, and that if he had he would have won inside three rounds? Does this sound insane to anybody other than just me? Maybe what we should be saying is that if Tyson trains better than he did then he lasts the distance. Tyson got demolished, it wasn't close. And i know it's hard to swallow but the excuse he uses about not training properly is ultimately speculation, and no the fact that he got dropped in sparring does not validate the excuse, although it makes it likely that is the truth, it is speculation. I'm on the Tyson bandwagon right now because of him becoming a hall of famer, so it saddens me that I've had to close this thread about my favourite fighter of my lifetime, Mike Tyson.

If we're going to use a 'better trained' Tyson then why not use a version of Douglas that hadn't just lost his mother, maybe he would've trained even better and utterly ruined Tyson's life.

Credit to Douglas and everyone who wins fights, they deserve credit don't you know.

 

Okay then, Bis, what i really should have highlighted is that i strongly disagree with the part in red. I think this is nonsense to be honest. If we're going to believe that Tyson didn't train, the fact that Douglas demolished Tyson is the main factor of what happened that night.

Also, on your second post, i think that you saying that Tyson didn't train at all is nonsense as well. We weren't there, for all we know he trained his ass off and it's just an excuse, the man was a world champion. I can't rate speculation.

 

I think Tyson was capable of winning a rematch, but Douglas clearly was as well, because he won the first fight. If Tyson would have won a rematch his career might have turned out very differently. But as it is, what happened happened and we have to live with the facts rather than being butt-hurt about it.

 

Tyson trained..probably could have trained harder sure but to suggest he just rocked up to the fight untrained is pure utter garbage..given the press that covered his training for the fight, especially the tons of sparring he did with Greg Page.

You want to see an example of a fighter who hardly trained for a fight, look at Buster's next one.

Tyson was just straight, clear as day bested by a man who wanted it more than him and had enough ability to complement his drive.

 

Don't try and patronise me son, I've probably forgotten more fights than you've seen. I've seen the fight and most of Tyson's career more times than I can remember, I can break down his style for you on request any given moment, so all this analysis isn't appropriate. I give full credit to fighters who win. Consider this, you're a boxer, you win a fight, work your ass off for it, and then everybody talks about how it wasn't you that won it, but the other guy that lost it, that would annoy the **** out of you.

And on Tyson, i don't believe that movement is his kryptonite, not at all, so to bring up that Tucker was beaten whilst employing more movement than Douglas does not validate the excuse that Tyson uses for me, nowhere near actually, Like i said, Tyson could win a rematch probably, but i fully disagree that Tyson never trained at all, like whatarock just told you, that's garbage.

 

It was the closest Tyson ever came to a comeback win, and a single knockdown punch was responsible. I don't know if the loss was due to him being in inadequate preparedness, or if he was simply a front runner by virtue of developmental flaw, whereby he became overly reliant on one punch power. I believe he should have been cultivated as a condition oriented attrition fighter, ready and able to come back from adversity, as Patterson was capable of doing, and as Frazier did. (Joe was actually better at starting fast than Mike was at grinding opponents down.)

That knockdown of Douglas should have energized him, yet the established pattern of the bout reemerged. In shape, he should have been able to press his advantage.

Getting floored by Page in sparring was a major warning sign, yet analysts merely shrugged it off by dismissively concluding, "Yeah, but that's Greg Page!" Holmes offered financial incentives for his sparring partners to put him down, and thus keeping himself on his guard paid off in competition.

 

Everybody knows he got dropped in sparring, i mentioned it in my first post. Maybe you're not familiar with the term 'ultimately speculation', because that's what claiming that Tyson never trained at all is. Unless you were there, you don't know. Please don't dispute that, it's embarrassing and tiring.

 

Yeah, if Douglas wouldn't have beaten that count it's interesting as to what would have happened in Tyson's career. Rather that questions of his mental strength coming to the fore, which were never answered positively, warrior status would have been firmly attributed to him and he might've grown in terms of mental toughness, because he'd have a bona fide comeback win on his ledger which would be brought up in conversations for years when discussing his legend. Not good, suppose we can only specualte.

 

I know, i've boxed amateur. It's called 'fighting fit' as opposed to simply being 'fit'. You claimed that Tyson hadn't trained at all, as i said, bull****.

 

Interesting how your argument is slowly unravelling.

Before you were adamant Tyson

but now its he trained but not hard??????????

You are looking at every single aspect of this with a huge bias for Tyson...I really like him too bro but I mean come on, you have to let it go. You are completely writing off what Douglas done to offset Mike, the gameplan he used to prevent Tyson from fighting his fight and the heart he showed to grit his teeth through the rough parts and to not be intimidated by the baddest man on the planet...All it really shows is that he never had the mental fortitude in and out of the ring to be the long reigning force that people thought he was going to be.

Tyson is better than Douglas and probably beats him more times than loses in a series...but he still loses some because he simply isnt this mythical unbeatable demon you want to believe he is.