How Cagey is Hopkins?

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  1. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    on a scale of 1-10, how cagey is Hopkins?
     
  2. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    i agree :thumbsup
     
  4. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I don't know if this means the same thing as cagey, but it's like this, Hopkins is like a chess player that tries to never leave any pieces for capture, even when he decides to launch an assault on his opposonent's king, he'll try and not lose many pawns in doing so. He has perfected his defence from a technical standpoint. If you look at most Hopkins fights when he was young and brutalising his opponents, he'd be slaughtering guys along the ropes without exposing his own chin. In mid-ring, that powerful overhand right he has dropped people with, he steps to an angle before he leads with it, so as to have his opponent blindsided and to minimise the chance that he'll get hit in the process, that's when throwing a knockout punch. When he backs his opponents up he'll throw punches in bunches, about three or four, in an attempt to not get countered, you can see this in both Roy Jones fights, which are at polar-opposites in terms of the stage of his career they were contested. In his later career his footwork has been outstanding. It's essential that people understand the difference between mobility and footwork. Somebody like Roy Jones is a great athlete who is very mobile, Roy Jones' movement is different, it's born of practice, he has perfected his footwork in a technical sense. He has opponents unwilling to throw punches because the punch is not there to be thrown. Pernell Whitaker for example, could stand in front of a man and have that man think he can hit him, the man would try and to his dismay, hit nothing but thin air. Hopkins wasn't blessed with such special reflexes, but as aforementioned, his positional awareness is some of the best of all time.

    If all of this stuff factors into caginess, then he's one of the goats. Tommy Loughran was amazing at being cagey, but it was usually a pure boxing affair in a defensive manner on his behalf. Hopkins has often been very versatile and retained his caginess, as i've described above. Basically he's mastered boxing.
     
  5. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Got progressively cagier as he got older.
     
  6. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    great analysis. :good
     
  7. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While becoming progressively worse overall.
     
  8. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    enjoyed reading that :thumbsup

    do you mean in recent years or when he was in his early-mid-30s?
     
  9. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Thanks kmac and kopejh, gotta go to bed now.
     
  10. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    11 A defensive artist, very differant from most defensive specialists. He's old and great!
     
  11. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    not all that tricky

    just the refs LET him get away with whatever


    does the same dirty bs every fight and they DONT SEE IT lol
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Does faking low blows and getting 4 minutes to recover count as cagey?
     
  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent post teeto. Hopkins is soneone who didn´t became a great fighter through talent or natural ability but through dedication, discipline, practicing and experience. In that regard he is some kind of a rolemodel for young fighters IMO.
     
  14. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :good
     
  15. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I concur :good