Both of the brothers are massive punchers and being knocked out by either doesn't mean a fighter has a glass chin. Just staying on the heavyweights for a moment, people dismiss Ruiz and Valuev but both hit Haye and didn't affect him. Again, I'm not saying this means Haye has a granite chin but people have always said he'll be knocked out sooner or later, because he was hurt against Mock, Mormeck etc.. If it was so bad, surely Ruiz's shots would have knocked him out, knocked him down or even hurt him? Yet they didn't. At cruiser, it was a poor chin. At heavyweight, there's a lot of reason to think it's solid enough to last against decent punchers.
You wrote a long and pretty well detailed post but you forgot to give an example of a fight where he demonstrates that he can take a hard, clean punch. And before anybody starts sweating -hit and don't get hit- mantra I'll say that I agree. Taking punches is not the name of the game but this thread is all about it. My opinion that Haye can't take big punches is not based so much on those few knockdowns. It's rather on his facial expressions and body language which changes from being hunter to being wounded/confused extremely fast. When he takes even few medium punches and can't go forward he tries to keep good pokerface but it's very transparent to any fighter that he rattles very easily, even when he's not actually hurt. And when his does get a bit hurt, like in Barrett fight (when Monte punched when he was down) his eyebrows starts making that weird 'closing-up' twitch which looks almost freakish for a professional fighter, let alone for a heavyweight champion. He often tries to smile in troubles to cover up his lacks on mentality department but it just doesn't look convincing. Quite the opposite. He's a definition of a 'sad face' when things don't go like he planned and it's good matchmaking, luck or pure miracle that he hasn't got knocked down more often. Yes, he gets up and tko's guys out but he has only one plan for a fight which is swing away or dance around. If you compare his body language to natural born fighters like Lennox or Vitali he looks amateurish at best and knock out waiting to happen. Someone here trashed Adamek's changes but he's a perfect example of a fighter that can cause serious troubles for Haye with his speed, movement, combinations, determination and.. chin.
True. That could be just down to hyping fights though, but I would agree that he doesn't have a great chin or anything. It's just this idea that it's glass and the first decent shot will knock him out, which annoys me. I was reading a thread about Adamek and it got mentioned that he'd knock out Haye, however, he couldn't even hurt Grant, who does have a glass chin.
Haye took good shots off Fragomeni, Ruiz, Barrett, a good trademark left hook off Maccarinelli which cut him, a couple of shots off Valuev, some really good punches off Mormeck...in taking all these, he wasn't hurt or wobbled once. He doesn't get hit clean too often but he has taken plenty of good shots without getting hurt. Not bad with someone who supposedly has a glass jaw.
Vitali Klitschko isn't a massive puncher by any means. Wlad on the other hand...... Either way, if he fancied the job he'd have taken it by now.
My bad. But my point was that he was stopped because he was exhausted and was completely gassed by the time of the stoppage. It wasn't his chin that let him down.
good post. hes been down very early on,but hes always got back up. with his loss,he got back up and looked shattered,but not hurt or his eyes glazed or anything,brit refs stop fights prematurely all the time. hes only been caught by fast short punches at cruiserweight.and has always got back up,mostly to win by KO. he himself claims that everyone at heavyweight punches so much slower than cruisers that he sees everything coming and it doesnt hurt him and barely lands on him even said enzos punches looked matrix speed slow!.lol