No footage of Pep beating Saddler?

Jorodz · Dec 10, 2010

burt bienstock said: ↑

Our memories are so fleeting J. It is impossible to compare 'the greatest performance by a fighter ',objectively.
For example-Harry Greb constantly, faced larger men than himself, time and again, and avoided or "dodged" the blows of men that weighed 15-40 pounds than himself. But we now take his exploits for granted...
But what I have seen in my lifetime, I have never seen a performance that Willie Pep accomplished in his second fight with Sandy Saddler ..It was akin to a bullfighter,past his peak, surviving against a vicious bull. And that, Willie Pep did in his second fight with Saddler. Quite a feat...
I also was terribly impressed with Buster Douglas in his great performance
against Mike Tyson. That night he rose to the level of a great fighter ,with
his great punching and RESOLVE. Another great performance that impressed me greatly....But Pep's performance was surreal....
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great to hear bb:thumbsup i'm hoping that one day, one of the fellas on the classic will find a copy of pep/saddler 2, greb/walker and greb/tunney 1 at a garage sale and we'll all meet at a theatre to watch them...it's a silly dream but still

Nicky P · Dec 11, 2010

burt bienstock said: ↑

:good
Nicky, great question...But so many possible answers.Willie Pep who I saw
first in 1943, against Allie Stolz, a top 135pounder,gave the sharp and clever Stolz a licking. I and the crowd at MSG were awed by him...That Willie Pep, before his terrible accident in 1947, would have surely beat
any version of Saddler IMO. Saddler stopped Pep in thei first bout in 1948,an three months later, Pep dodged the bullet for 15 rounds, by
using every trick of the trade,dodging , ducking and dancing. He was
marvelous that night, but in the two following bouts, Saddler was able to
wrestle and rough the now slower Pep, causing an injury to Willie's shoulder, and cutting his face, and stopping Pep twice. Willie Pep,was not
a particularly strong featherweight, and the older he got the slower was his astounding reflexes, allowing the cruel punching Saddler to corner Pep
and inflict much punishment to Pep. In the second bout, Willie just "dodged the bullet ". His luck ran out !
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that makes a lot of sense. Seems damn near impossible to do what Willie did for 15 rounds straight.

I heard that Archie Moore was helping to train Saddler and drilled into Sandy's head that he needs to stay on top of Pep every second and to throw his hands when Willie relaxes. Made it real tough to breath for Pep.

Nicky P · Dec 11, 2010

McGrain said: ↑

I have given up, basically. There is so much great boxing out there, there's no reason to sweat it. I know it's frustrating, but you can watch two great fights every day this year and not scratch the surface. Don't sweat the big stuff, I guess.
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You're right.

timmers612 · Dec 11, 2010

Nicky P said: ↑

jesus. so unbelievable to me that it isn't around to view.

B, i feel very fortunate to be able to ask you this.... can you maybe explain what Pep did in the 2nd fight that was different from the 3rd? In the 3rd he boxed amazingly but was still caught with that swooping hookercut and i suppose his demise was him damaging his shoulder (possibly too much wrestling inside with a stronger man). Was his approach similar to the third fight and just Saddler was better prepared?
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I'm glad you asked Burt that as I had wondered it myself. As it is the tape of Willy in their third bout showed me as a young boxer more instruction and inspiration on skilled boxing then any trainer or book I'd come across. How to outjab a longer armed opponent, how to land combinations on a taller-longer armed fighter, as well as every feint possible with the feet and shoulders, just an amazing boxer.

Nicky P · Dec 11, 2010

timmers612 said: ↑

I'm glad you asked Burt that as I had wondered it myself. As it is the tape of Willy in their third bout showed me as a young boxer more instruction and inspiration on skilled boxing then any trainer or book I'd come across. How to outjab a longer armed opponent, how to land combinations on a taller-longer armed fighter, as well as every feint possible with the feet and shoulders, just an amazing boxer.
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Absolutely the best pure boxer i've ever seen. Demonstrated brains over braun everytime.

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