Question ?What say you on Maidana/Khan ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by burt bienstock, Dec 12, 2010.


  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The punch that stunned Khan in the 10th round was definitely a KO punch in my opinion, very surprised that Khan was able to survive it. I'd even go as far as to say that most light welterweights would have been finished off by that punch, especially that late in the fight and early in the round.

    So he proved his durability and physicality which had justifiably been in doubt. On the other hand he looked a bit rough skill-wise, relying mostly on athleticism, but he's developing. I don't expect him to turn out a great technician, more so a physical force like Pacquiao, combining boxing ability with his great athleticism.

    I'm truly hoping that Khan will go onto become one of the bigger names in the future of boxing, the sport needs it. He's rarely in dull fights regardless of the criticism about his "running". I agree with the above posts though that he needs to settle down a bit, and have confidence in his power.

    Credit to Maidana for picking himself up the canvas and forcing the fight all the way. He will remain a factor in the division with the power and courage he has.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Well I will conceed (Ahead of a second viewing) that none of the huge punches that hit Khan were "right on the button" if you will conceed that anyone who gets hit "right on the button" by a fighter like Maidana will be on his way out, unless he has granite.

    That's not what I saw at all. I saw Khan get hit on the chin by uppercuts many times.

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    They were heavy punches, and Maidana is a "clubbing" fighter to begin with, he's not snappy or particular sharp, he bulls.

    As for Maidana being a "beaten man most of the fight" I disagree. I thought his mid-fight surge was thrilling and commited. I thought the way he attacked in the twelfth bellies any thinking of his being a beaten man...i feel a bit like we watched different fights!

    I don't think it's great. I don't think it's weak, either.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's basically how I see it. Especially, as you say, at the point in the fight in which it came and what came after.


    For the rest of your post, I think he could have 2 or 3 really fun and excellent years before coming unstuck for reasons you outline. He looks strong enough for WW to me, for sure.
     
  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, I a skeptic was very impressed by Amir Khan's toughness in the fight. He reminded me of a young De La Hoya, with his built and blurring handspeed. He "toughed " it out the last few rounds and only survived the 11th rd because Maidana tired a lot. Amir took a hell of a beating near the end of that fight,and I was surprised that he was there at the end....He is GOOD. Maidana is a heart stopper... Cortez is an action STOPPER !!!
    He did ,as mentioned above from a poster, the same damn thing in the Hatton/Mayweather fight awhile back.
    Cortez repeatedly broke them up in close, while Maidana was free with ONE hand hitting
    left hook-uppercuts to the side of Amir Khan's body. PERFECTLY LEGAL...Rubbish,I say...
    Both fighters deserve kudows, Cortez should referee lady boxing I say...
    P.S.Not to get sentimental, but in the 1940s and before, boxing was so,so, much brutal and tougher,because of tough times and great pools of top-notchers, that Joe Cortez
    would with his antics be refereeing pro main events. Boxing was tougher then, because of tougher times. Even in the New York Golden Gloves, boxers never wore headgear ,
    even in the sub-novice division. I yearn for the "good old days", for one simple reason...
    They were better !!. But Maidana and Khan except for the inept Joe Cortez, would have fit right in.....
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Personally, I don't see my interpretation of his punch resistance as a knock on him at all.
    I actually think people who are claiming he "took a load of flush bombs" etc. are doing him a disservice for the skill and guile and mental resilienece he showed, and also failing to recognize that he'd knocked a lot of the steam off of Maidana's punches with his own assaults.

    Khan is a really good fighter. I don't think we need to suddenly go around saying he has a super chin now though.
     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    P.S. I meant that Joe Cortez would NOT be refereeing main event bouts
    in the old days...Sorry [I'm still angry] !
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Some pictures of Khan getting hit flush on the chin, or thereabouts:

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  8. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    You ain`t alone Burt let me tell you, I didn`t realize Cortez was to be the referee until they announced him, and when they did I remember telling myself that this geezer was gonna **** this up bigtime for Maidana who relys on his mauling and brawling tactics to wear down opponents in close, but as we all know Cortez NEVER EVER allows in-fighting, so the outcome was half pre-determined before the first bell even rang.

    And to think they mentioned before the fight that he was going to inducted to the boxing HOF, I remember shaking my head in amazement and literally saying out loud "are you ****ing kidding me ?"The man should be led out to pasture and never allowed to referee another world title bout imo, he clearly is not qualified or capable of doing his job anymore.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, he's a donkey.
     
  10. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Thats an insult to donkeys mate.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Sorry you guys.
     
  12. GPater11093

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    I have to be honest, I still think his chin is a weakness. it is not as bad as previously thought, moving up in weight and perhaps top conditioning can claim that, but I do think it is still a weakness of his.

    Another thing is, when we seen Khan KO'd by Presscott and dropped earlier in his career it was all mainly because Khan got hit with one big one, froze then copped another few because of it. Last night Khan when hit, instantly got on his bike and out of danger. I think that is a major factor, as Khan does have good powers of recovery, in his 'improved chin'.

    Also I also do think that alot of punches in the earlier rounds that Maidana landed were as Khan moved off and it dampened them.

    But back to my original point. I think most of us were expecting Khan to completely outbox this guy, or be outboxing him get tagged and fall. My major gripe with this fight was that Khan really did struggle, against a guy many felt he would near shut out. I think Khan was capable of shutting out or destroying Maidana but his weakness around the chops faltered that idea, as if you gave Khan a granite chin that fight would not have been close. Albeit Maidana is a huge puncher, I'd have no problem picking Devon Alexander to get the job done much easier.

    But pardon my moaning. It really was a superb fight, with back and forth action and Khan's resilience and toughness impressed me. I think he can come on and really become the major force at LWW, as I do think he is very hard to outpoint, and Bradley and Alexander might struggle, although I have a feeling Alexander may beat Khan if they fight.

    Also in the mid rounds I nearly had a heart attack with the excitement, and by the 10th I was screaming at Khan to take a knee to weather the storm, and I was screaming and pleading that he made it out the last round.

    To be honest, I think Maidana did his best work at range. And personally I felt when Cortez broke them in the tenth it was more beneficial to Maidana, as he couldn't hurt Khan that bad on the inside, but he could from range..

    He did not have a great night, did Cortez, but I do feel the criticism is over the top here.

    Good to see you posting again, and on a modern fight, I'm surprised.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Well here is what I know that I didn't know last night: perhaps the hardest hitting fighter in his weight division can hit him repeatedly with big shots and he doesn't drop. If that's a weakness, I want one.

    His survival instincts generally were excellent; he looked properly grown up. It's maybe the biggest imporvement I've seen in a fighter in such a short spell. To me, this really cements Roach's status. Real progress.

    It also needs to be remembered just how poor Khan's reputation chin-wise was going into this fight. There were very many people who thought that a big puncher would hit him and he would go. Well a big puncher has hit him, many times, and he didn't even drop a point.

    When he's beaten, it will be by knockout - but if he hasn't seriously enhanced the reputation of his punch resistance, I don't know what you guys are waiting for - a Klitschko bomb maybe?
     
  14. Raging B(_)LL

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  15. Raging B(_)LL

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    :lol: