My thoughts on Saturday

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Big Dunk, Dec 13, 2010.


  1. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    Khan vs Maidana

    I had it scored 6-6 with Khan winning due to the point deductions which were fair. As the fight got to the 6th, 7th round it was reminding me off the Cotto vs Margorito fight. I was convinced he wouldn't be able to stand up to that pressure for 12 rounds but he did and credit to him. I always new he was brave but he is a tough SOB, exciting and his punch resistance has improved. For me Khan is the no.1 at 140lbs. I do not think Bradley or Alexander could stand up to the punishment either Khan or Maidana dish out.

    The fight I want to see next.....Maidana 2. For me it 100% FOTY. It will be a bigger fight 2nd time round so why not do it again.

    Ortiz vs Peterson

    I had it 95-93 to Ortiz and I think most had Ortiz winning but got the feeling if it had been 12 rounds with more notice Peterson would have won it. Ortiz clearly lacks something mentally thats stopping him progressing, reminds me a bit of Jermain Taylor.

    Lets see it again over 12 rounds and why not on the same card as Khan vs Maidana 2

    Guzman

    What a waste of talent this guys is. Unless he sorts himself out and goes to 135lbs I have no intrest in him.

    DeGale vs Smith

    Extremly impressed with DeGale. Cannot say anything more that hasn't already been said but still look at DeGale and see so many flaws and think he can be beaten by a big Super Middle.

    That man could be Groves and that fight will happen this year. I understand why DeGale is the firm favourite now but I cannot stress this more....GROVES IS NOT PAUL SMITH. He doesn't come straight forward throwing basic punches, DeGale won't be able to back him up with a flicking jab and he has the power to make DeGale fight scared.

    Smith needs to go back to Middleweight. If he wins a few fights he could get in the Barker/Macklin mix but I have never really rated him.

    Cleverly

    Obviously the worst he has looked in his impressive run since the Oakey fight but I do think it was his toughest opponent. Although the guy has been stopped before in 1 round, I think anyone can get caught cold. This guy would cause anyone problems, is a legit top 25 Light Heavyweight. Also we have to bear in mind Lakatos was an orthadox coming forward fighter.

    Cleverly will be mandatory for the Shumenov vs Braehmer winner. Its a tough fight but its what you expect from a world title. You could say that Cleverly is not ready, but a guy like Shumenov is only going to get better so it may be worth fighting him asap. I personally think it will be Bellew next as Warren will want to cash in on that fight before either man lose.

    Macklin

    Tough night for Macklin. I heard he had a cold before the fight so I won't read to much into it, but Varon was beaten convincingly by Strum and stopped by Zbik in 4 rounds.

    I have always though Barker would beat him and I don't base my opinion on the eithers last 2 fights. I can't see either man being a legit world champion and I think the fight agaisnt one another is the best they can go far. Hopefully it will happen next year.

    Bellew

    Tony is likes and respected on this forum for all the right reaons. He probably gets an easy ride on ESB. I will tell it how I see it his last two performances have been sub par agaisnt gatekeepers. McEnzie has him in trouble and a better opponent would have made him pay for those mistakes. Its the 4th time he has been knocked down now.

    Bellew can clearly punch but he seems to rely on it to much, he looks awkward at times and loses concentration. Theres a good fight in there but he is not show it at the moment. As I said above I see Warren getting the Cleverly fight on next as he may be worried both could lose. If that isn't the path he takes I would like to see Tony move up to Cruiserweight. There he can concentrate on pushing forward as a fighter and work on technique instead of a 10 week training camp based around making weight. I don't see him loseing power at Cruiser because he is a natural puncher.

    Brook

    Not much to say really the guy needs to step it up. I rate him but understand why others get on his back. He can't have another year treading water like 2010.

    Hopefully the Mike Jones fight happens at some point as I think he wins it. I genuinley beleive the better opponent he faces the better he looks.

    Bantamweight tournement

    Agbeko did very well to get the win but I see Mares out boxing him in the final. I had the fight for Mares 116-111 which is wider than most. Some even have it the other way for Vic. Hopefully if he beats Perez we see a rematch before Donaire/Montiel/Moreno get involved.
     
  2. Lazarus

    Lazarus Realist Full Member

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    Good thoughts, but I don't think the first K/M fight would live up to the second one at all.

    Without the dramatic things, the fight may not have been exciting in the way it was. I mean, what's the chances of them things occuring again?

    And with Roach, he's sure to drill in some new game-plan and I think Khan wouldn't be out there as much to prove he's got a chin.
     
  3. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    I actually think that Maidana will be better prepared. he knows what work and what doesn't. Genuinley I think Maidana can win the rematch.
     
  4. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Not interested in an immediate rematch. Let Khan move on with his career, if Maidana keeps winning then maybe have the rematch somewhere down the line.
     
  5. mugen82

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    I dont think so, he's shown himself to be very limited, and got very lucky with a hail mary punch, untill he landed that, he looked very sorry for himself, especially after Khan had his way with him in the 8th and 9th round.
     
  6. dftaylor

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    I think Khan will look to the body more early on. And he'll keep on his bike.
     
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    he didn't want to get off his stool at times
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    What can Maidana DO that differently in a rematch? He was walking forward and swinging he'll either connect more often in a rematch or he won't, he's limited in the number of adjustments his style will allow him to make.
     
  9. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    I think it took him 4 rounds to recover from the body shot. If he doesn't get hurt he goes for him from the 1st second.

    It was such an entertaining fight why not see it again.
     
  10. GazOC

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    I like rematches where the loser has convinced me he can win next time. It was an exciting fight but Maidana lost clearly and I think he'd lose a rematch just as clearly.

    There are plenty of options for Kahn. If Maidana keeps winning then rematch him after the Khan/ Bradley/ Alexander situation has played out.
     
  11. Davew430

    Davew430 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A rematch wouldn't be a good thing in my opinion.

    Half of the excitement of Saturday night's fight was the unknowing "what will happen if"... Now we've seen it

    My thought's on the Khan v Maidana fight...

    It may sound daft at first, but not when you look into it... But i think that fight on Saturday didn't really do Khan any favour's. Let me explain...

    First of all people are gonna' say his chin has improved...

    Yes to a certain extent it's slightly better, it's obvious fighting at Lightweight wasn't a good thing for Khan and moving upto Light Welterweight has done him some good, but in that 10th round he really was clinging on for dear life. It wasn't his "improved" chin holding him up, Joe Cortez did Khan the world of good by keeping jumping in the middle of Khan and Maidana, but what kept Khan up was his heart, as much as i dislike Khan, one thing i can't criticise is his heart and determination. But in my opinion, the fight didn't prove he "has a chin", to me it showed his chin is still weak, he's just a bit more determined not to go down.

    Second of all...

    Khan was expecting to box Maidana's ear's off, and when he stuck to Roach's plan, he was. But, (other than his weak chin), Khan's second biggest problem is his impatience. He never started brawling with Maidana because he wanted to excite the fan's, because he wanted to prove a point, he brawled with Maidana because he's impatient. He could of boxed Maidana from a distance, and slowly tried to break him down and go for a late stoppage, but he didn't, he tried to go for the stoppage when it wasn't there. He need's to learn to be more patient and cool headed, otherwise it could be part of the recipe what bring's his downfall...

    Khan got the win, fair enough. He kept his belt and will move onto bigger fight's, and that was the plan all along, but in my eye's, and i'm sure plenty other Boxing fan's eyes this fight asked more questions than it answered. But hey, him and Maidana need to be applauded, they provided us with an entertaining fight
     
  12. TommyV

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    Where did you find 6 rounds to give to Maidana?
     
  13. roe

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    I don't know how you can say he didn't convince you he could win next time? Khan was battered in the 10th round and ran away for the last 2 after. I'm not knocking Khan because he was terrific and is clearly the better boxer and did amazing to come away with the win after the pressure and punches he took.

    I agree that Khan has plenty of options though and a rematch isn't too likely. I'm happy with the proposed defence over here against Judah then the winner of Bradley/Alexander in late summer. Then if Amir comes through those two he'd be a huge name in the sport and some mega fights will follow.
     
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    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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  15. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    OK instead of "can win" insert "has a good chance of winning" in that first sentence in my post.

    We've seen the fight, Khan can outbox Maidana for long periods but can get sloppy. A rematch would be watching the same fight just to see if Maidana can land a few more swings than he did last time.