The Ring Magazine Joke Super Middleweight changes

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well in that case, how come Ward wasnt rated above Bute before? Then gets rated higher for beating someone Bute beat more impressively years ago. Dosent make sense
     
  2. Jay23

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    What #3 p4p ? so ur saying that was justified :nut
     
  3. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    For starters, Bika is better now than when he fought Bute. But beating Bika made Ward's resume better, in some way at least anyway. If someone had the two really close before, a win over Bika might have been just enough to push Ward ahead of Bute.
     
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    the rink never ranked him number 3 p4p the highest he got was 6 which is still too generous
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    How is Bika better now? When Bika fought Ward he hadnt fought a completed round in 16 months
     
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    It's all subjective. Ward and Bute are interchangeable at the top at the moment, while Froch also has a case. Kessler injury and inactivity work against him. Happens like this a lot. The last guy is the best guy. Bute gets a win over a credible opponent and he moves up again, and if it is emphatic, he puts a little distance between him and Ward. No big deal to me. It's subjective.
     
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    Because after he won The Contender, he was able to quit his day job to start training full time. If you watch his old fights versus his newer ones, it's pretty obvious that he's better now than he was then. He sits on his punches a lot better, and his defense is a lot tighter, for starters.
     
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    Good answer! If Bute gets another good win, which doesn't have to be great, he'll likley jump over Ward. :thumbsup
     
  9. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Nice, and this is how you should realistically judge a fighter. By how he looks in the ring.
     
  10. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I would agree that it's yet to be seen, but as it stands someone has to be #1 and Ward has beaten more quality guys consecutively (granted I use the word "quality" loosely). He is the guy right now, he took the challenge of the Super Six, he is fighting on the biggest stage with the world watching and deserves credit for doing so.
     
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    In that case your only as good as your last fight, and many people didnt think Ward looked good against Bika. Some wrote that they felt Ward lost, but I didnt see an arguement for that. I thought Ward won around 7 rounds, but the scoring was awful
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your rating those 4 wins against these 10 when 2 of them are the same fighters beaten more convincingly by Bute, and remember how Wards fights in the Super 6 have been in Joakland
     
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    OK Didnt read the 2nd or 3rd pages of this so if someone already analyzed this- apologies.

    Bute Vs Ward Records

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    Bute has more wins and KO's so that goes to Bute

    Bute's opponents overall record 518 w 167 L 23 d
    Ward's opponents overall record 356 w 68 L 14 d

    Now this one is hard cause not the same # of fights but lets see..
    Bute's opponents have an average win % of 74%. Ward's at 79%.
    Very close. And if you take out 2 Bute fights (1st and 5th) It swings in Bute's favor. But still...

    Ward>Bute (slight margin)

    Now we look at common opponents:
    Edison Miranda:
    Bute - TKO in 4th round
    Ward - UD 119-109 | 116-112 | 119-109

    Sakio Bika:
    Bute:116-111 | 118-109 | 118-109
    Ward:120-108 | 118-110 | 118-110
    Both of these seem close until you watch the fights.

    Bute>Ward

    Overall
    Bute>Ward
     
  14. Lance_Uppercut

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    That's not a solid rule anywhere in boxing, just something people say. One doesn't need to dominate every fight to prove their mettle, you just gotta win.
     
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    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    LOl , you're a ****ing moron