Floyd Patterson; Did he play the color game?

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After winning the title over Archie Moore, Floyd made one madatory defense against Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson.
    Between 7/30/57 and 9/24/62, over 5-years, another fighter of
    color was not permitted to fight for the title.

    List of Defenses/Title Fight
    Pete Rademacher
    Roy Harris
    Brain London
    Ingemar Johannson
    Ingemar Johansson
    Ingemar Johansson
    Tom McNeely

    I wonder why Sonny Liston was 'pissed'.
     
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    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think it was more Cus than Floyd.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rademacher, London and McNeely was obviously soft touches, but what about Roy Harris. Was he any good?

    It should be noted, though, that Floyd took on three nr.1 contenders during his reign. That he was KO'd by two of them probably explains why Cus was reluctant to see him against Machen, Folley, Williams etc.
     
  4. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bokaj,

    They were paper #1 Ranked Heavyweights.

    Surprised no one got together back in 1958 and created a new orginazation.
    Eddie Machen
    Cleveland Williams
    Sonny Liston
    Zora Folley
    Mike DeJohn

    That group could have put the squeeze on Cus and his 'puppet regime'
     
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    Despie being nr.1 contender, Johansson was considered an easy defense.
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Decent boxer, solid technique, unbeaten, highly rated. I think he qualifies as a good title defense. Obviously people would prefer to have seen Floyd against the likes of Folley and Machen, but they did disappoint against each other and then against Johansson/Cooper. In fairness to him Patterson fought Johansson instantly, although his management thought he would be an easy proposition.
     
  7. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was Roy Harris from 'Cut and Shoot' Texas, a top-rated heavyweight for any length of time, both before and or after his title fight with Floyd.

    What was his big win, a victory over Willie Pastrano?
     
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    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know about Jackson, but Ingo and Liston certainly deserved to be ranked nr. 1. Ingo was undefeated, Europ champ and had just brutally KO'd Machen (the then top contender) in one round. Liston needs no further presentation of course.
     
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    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wins over Bob Baker and Pastrano, who was then a top 5 contender. Charley Norkus, Alejandro Lavorante, Willi Besmanoff and Charlie Powell were also decent wins.
     
  10. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thank you sir,,,,,,,Great re-cap.
    It looks like 'good ol' Roy did have a few decent wins.

    It helped being white in 1958:good
     
  11. bodhi

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    The colour game ended with Joe Louis. Look into the newspapers of the time, I doutb you will find any commentator mentioning this.
     
  12. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I was recently thinking about this. But as mentioned earlier I think that it was D'Amato who pulled the strings. After Floyd decided to fight Liston, he and Cus splitted.
     
  13. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd Patterson vs. Black fighters in Title Fights
    * KO Archie Moore
    * KO Tommy Jackson
    * LKO Sonny Liston
    * LKO Sonny Liston
    * LKO Muhammad Ali
    * LDec Jimmy Ellis (Yes controversial)
     
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    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    6 fights and only 2 with D'Amato
     
  15. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cus knew, what everybody else knew, except Floyd.

    Great 'Cus' lines describing Sonny Liston vs. Floyd Patterson

    "You can't bring a pea-shooter to a gun fight at the O.K. Corral'
    'On Floyd, now I get the feeling what General Custer felt like'
    'You know, a 4th fight with Johannson wouldn't have been that bad.'
    'That was a U.S. Battleship in there against a dingy'.