wtf did Kostya Tszyu do to get into the HOF ????

Longevity? You mean by fighting less than half the times Buddy did?

Accomplishments? You mean how Buddy scaled two weight classes whilst Tszyu stayed in one?

Boxing skill? You mean that thing that saw him hold his own with the great Sharmba Mitchell before Mitchell's stock-standard bitchiness came through?

 

Forgot to mention Tony Baltazar, who was another decent fighter McGirt beat. :good

 

You gathered all that from brief bits of footage?
Good chin solid chin able to take a Tszyu punch? Who did he face that could punch as hard as Tszyu.
Extreme strength in clinch? Tszyu is one of the strongest 140 pounders esp. in the clinch.
Solid skills esp. body punching chip away at Tszyu? It's funny how every obscure fighter has more talent and skill than Tszyu and is better technically. Tszyu was a great amateur and pro and his skill proven at both levels. He was a master boxer and his offense (timing,accuracy, closing the distance) was great. His defense underrated. His body punches were devastating. Corley said he punched harder than Mayorga when asked about Tszyu's body punches.
A boxer with 20% KO percentage against low-level opposition is going to wear Tszyu down. Seriously?
Loi mainly fought against low-level opposition and fought at world level for 2 years in a brand new division that had been restarted after a long hiatus. He has close wins over Ortiz and Perkins (as well as losses to them) in his hometown which could mean anything as we well know even in this age of youtube where every fight is available yet robberies happen every month of the year.

 

quote=sweet_scientist;8456548]Longevity? You mean by fighting less than half the times Buddy did?

Accomplishments? You mean how Buddy scaled two weight classes whilst Tszyu stayed in one?

Boxing skill? You mean that thing that saw him hold his own with the great Sharmba Mitchell before Mitchell's stock-standard bitchiness came through?[/quote]

Scaled and held a title for a year or so like he did at JWW. Buddy mostly fought 10 rounders against **** competition. Tszyu was a champion for close to a decade. Tszyu's competition was so good early that he was ranked in the Ring Top10 in his 1st year as a pro.

Yeah boxing skill. The boxing skill that wins you a World Amateur title, 2X E Amateur titles and other gold medals at amateur level. The boxing skill that makes you a 2-time World champion and the 1st undisputed 140 pounder in 30 years.

 

No, not simply through footage, a lot of it comes from reading up upon the guy. You asked what footage I had seen though, so you want to talk about secondary sources now?

Ortiz was a decent puncher, he took his punches without any problem. Of course Loi never even went DOWN from a punch, so that takes some doing.

Really? I didn't know that.... Notice I said he would hold his own with Tszyu? Again, Loi outwrestled Carlos Ortiz, who was one of the strongest lightweights of all time....

If Loi is obscure, then so is your knowledge of the history of the sport.

Tszyu had good skills, but he wasn't a good inside operator. Guys like Urkal, Phillips, Hatton troubled him by not giving him space and crowding him on the inside. Loi would do the same. Maybe not to KO' Tszyu, but to wear him out so that his punches will no longer be effective. The high workrate will see Loi outwork him and thus lead to a points win.

Loi proved when he was past his best that he could hang and beat better fighters than Tszyu ever faced. I'd take a closely contested win over Ortiz over anything Tszyu has done in his career. Loi has two of them. Heck, a win over Perkins means more to me than any win Kostya's ever had.

 

You have the gall to **** on Mitchell but you bring up the McGirt equivalent of a Tony Jones as a decent fighter. Seriously?

 

How long would he have been a champion with guys like Taylor, Chavez and Whitaker around? It's all good and fine to be champion beating the likes of Shamba Mitchell and Zab Judah, it's a whole different story though when you're swimming with the sharks. Tszyu was basically left to feast in a division of decent, but not anywhere near great opposition whilst the best fighters past him by.

The type of boxing skill that sees you knocked out by Vince ****en Phillips during the pomp of your career?

 

Tony Baltazar would have bitched Sharmba Mitchell.

 

You watched several 1 minute clips and read other people opinions. OK.

On Perkins, Ortiz. Reminds me of Locche's legendary shutout against Cervantes which is unavailable on film. Then, a couple of months later, he loses to the inferior Frazer on points. A year and after their first fight he doesn't look so spectacular against Cervantes and is stopped in the 10th round.

On to Locche and later Cervantes...

 

:rofl And Calvin Grove would have bitched Meldrick Taylor.

 

I haven't seen much of him that's true, but I have seen enough to get an idea of his style and his abilities. Backed up with seeing footage of the guys he beat (Ortiz, Perkins, Flanagan, Kerwin, Chiocca, Ben Buker, Zulueta, Famechon, Bud Smith) and opinions on the man, I feel I can have an informed opinion of him.

Loi lost a close SD to Ortiz in a America - even that speaks for more than anything Tszyu's ever done. There have been reports on all the fights with Ortiz and Perkins against Loi and the only one that is sketchy is the Perkins 'draw'.

 

The kind of skill and power that makes you the only man to knock out Chavez.

Chavez is lucky he wasn't in Tszyu's era. Dude got beaten by Laprote for christ sake...

Tells you how good Brown an Davis where as welterweights when the guys who failed at the division bellow would beat them. That was a **** division compared to the division with Oscar, Trinidad, Quartey, Mosley, Forrest.

 

What's so funny? Mitchell got Ko'ed by Leavender Johnson and Stevie Johnston, he wimped out against Tszyu and in between did what? Get a gift against an old Vince Phillips?

Baltazar's performance against Howard Davis, who utterly robbed him, is better than anything Mitchell's ever done. His performance against Roger Mayweather (a better fighter than Mitchell) is also better than anything Mitchell's ever done.

I have little doubt Tony would take Mitchell's pea heart. :good

 

:rofl My, my, getting a little desperate aren't we? Didn't DLH knock him out anyway? Oh that's right those fights were stopped, as opposed to Tszyu who laid him out flat

Game over.

Buddy got beat by Pernell Whitaker that's all you got to know. Don't worry about how **** the division was, he lost to one of the greatest fighters of all time and still gave him a run for his money. I'm sure if there were Cottos and Margarito's and 100 year old Mosleys around, Buddy would have had a swell reign.

 

Who'd beat Armstrong, depending on weight class an awful lot imo. Tyszu I'd give the edge too for 1, mainly based on the fact he comes into the ring about 20lbs heavier and the inherent weight advanatages that brings, Zoo wasn't much of an infighter though but he'd be able to push Henry back