wtf did Kostya Tszyu do to get into the HOF ????

You can live in your fantasy land where McGirt would have a pretty long reign against Tszyu's opposition.

In reality:
1. Beaten by 5 foot Frankie Warren
2. Beat same Frankie Warren to win a vacant IBF title.
3. Made 1 successful defense of his title before being worn down and stopped by Mr. Durable himself.
4. Beat a slightly faded Simon Brown to win a WW title then quickly lost it to Pernell Whitaker.

He fought the best fighters around his weight?
Did he fight Chavez, Mayweather, Camacho, Coggi at JWW?
Did he fight Espana, Blocker, Davis, Breland, Campas, Glenwood Brown, young Felix Trinidad and Ike Quartey at WW?

He has a 1 good win at WW: Simon Brown. It's even hard to rate him at WW because he didn't fight another good natural WW except for Brown who was never a great boxer, just a good one. If he had successfully defended his title against the top WWs for a several years it would've been a different story...

Boxers get inducted for what they did not what they might have done in someone's subjective speculation on a boxing forum. He was the Mitchell and Judah of his time.

 

Who cares how tall he was? The guy could fight. Stylistically he had what it took to beat McGirt: solid chin and a ridiculous work rate. Buddy's stamina was an issue for him.

'Mr. Durable himself', shits sideways on anyone Kostya Tszyu ever fought pal.

Don't you mean beat a slightly better fighter than anyone Tszyu ever beat and lost it to a 10 times better fighter than Tszyu ever faced?

I'm talking about the best fighters of his time, why are you bringing up past prime Camacho who was getting beat by Haugen around this time, guys like Coggi and Mayweather?

The only truly outstanding fighter of his time he didn't face was Chavez.

As for welterweight, he was heading past his prime just as guys like Tito and Quartey were coming on the scene. LMFAO@Glenwood Brown being thrown in there.

Are you trying to say that Buddy didn't face all the good fighters of his time? Sure, that's easy to agree with. Who has? Do you want me to start naming a 10 lightweights and 10 welterweights Tszyu didn't face?

Since when did Mitchell or Judah beat anyone as good as Simon Brown?

They had a hard enough time getting by an ancient Rafael Pineda and Vince Phillips.

McGirt was a better fighter than either of those guys and had a better resume than either of them as well.

Don't start pulling the rock smoking Rocky Lockridges and pugilistica demented Rafael Limons on me with Mitchell's resume again ok? atsch

 

Guys like Coggi, Mayweather? Seriously? atsch

Coggi beat the No.1 at the time WBA champion Oliva in 1987. Mayweather beat the No.2 of the division, WBC champion Rene Arredondo, also in 1987. Early 1988 McGirt beats No.3 rated Warren for the vacant IBF belt and loses it several months later to Meldrick Taylor. Early 1989 Chavez beats Mayweather to become No.1. He then beat Meldrick Taylor to unify.

McGirt wasn't beaten by the best of the era but by the 2nd best JWW of the era. Coggi and Mayweather have claims just as strong for being No.3 of the era. At best Buddy is No.3, at worst No.5 of that era.

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Meldrick Taylor
3. McGirt, Coggi, Mayweather

You have a very inflated opinion of Buddy McGirt.

 

But thats the point your looking at the negative calling them old when not one other ****ing great has had the balls to take on opponents like Tszyu did at that time in his career.

Your still even though NO other fighter did anything like this still calling it out as Tszyu faced them when old.

What ****ing horse **** Freddy.

Old or not an Ex ****ing World Champion is far harder than fighting a guy that has a record like (6-30-1) or some ****.

Your still giving Tszyu no credit when Sweet Scientist i read before bought up Pernell fights early on in his career i thought to myself that not to Bad but compared to Tszyu's it was No where near as good.

Juan LaPorte was 33 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Sammy Fuentes was 28 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Livingston Bramble was 33 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Jake Rodriguez 29 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Roger Mayweather 34 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Calvin Grove 36 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Rafael Ruelas 27 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Diosbelys Hurtado 26 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Miguel A Gonzalez 29 Years old when he fought Tszyu.

Julio C Chavez 38 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Sharmba Mitchell 31 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Zab Judah 25 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Jesse Lieja 35 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Vince Phillips 34 years old when he fought Tszyu

Ricky Hatton was 28 years old when he fought Tszyu.

Then there was other fighters like Ben Tackie (29), Oktay Urkal (31) , Jan Bergman (26), Hector Lopez (27), Hugo Pineda (25), Corey Johnson (25), Ahmed Santos (26)

Now im looking at that and thinking there is a few older guys like

Chavez, Lieja, Grove and Mayweather but most of the other Guys are not really that old.

Not like Mosley type old. There are alot of ****ing guys on that list in there Primes. And some others who went into the fight Underfeated.

Pryor fought Cervantes when Antonio was 35 years old yet he gets heaps of credit for this win.

Hatton gets credit for beating Tszyu at age 36.

Mayweather gets credit for beating a 39 year old Mosley.

Now why is it Tszyu gets not much credit for beating the **** out of some guys and like they have never been beaten before.

Mitchell has never been beaten like he did against Tszyu and the same goes for Judah. Same with Gonzalez he had never even hit the Canvas but Tszyu stopped him.

Why is it you bring up a American or Mexican fighter and they get great Props i mean people drum them up like there God.

You bring up say.

Klitschko or Pacquiao or Calzaghe or Tszyu and what do the USA fans do they bring them down.

And say STUPID **** LIKE THIS THREAD FREDDY.

Kostya Tszyu deserves the Hall of Fame and on first Ballot.

Aaron Pryor Fought 4 World Champs over his Career.
Kostya Tszyu fought 15 World Champs over his Career.
Aaron Pryor held the World Title for 5 years.
Kostya Tszyu held a World Title for 9 years.
Aaron Pryor did not Unify the division.
Kostya Tszyu did Unify the Division.
Aaron Pryor did not get his Sample of Urine collected
Kostya Tszyu always gave a sample. And was always Negative.
Aaron Pryor took Cocaine
Kostya Tszyu di not use any drugs and only very rarely drank some vodka.

Yet some sit hear and ask and tell me who deserves the HOF more.

A disgraced fighter that may have cheated through his career and was drug addict.

Or a guy that gave bcak to the sport in every way a Champ should.

YET SOME CONTINUE TO QUESTION someone like Kostya Tszyu going to the HOF.

Get the **** out of here with that ****.

Freddy i thought you loved the sport yet with a ****ing piece of **** thread like this and trying to ignore the biggest facts out there.

No Kostya's Resume is not as great as some.

But what he did in his time and what he gave back to the sport was IMO Hall of Fame worthy.

 

better question is!
WTF did you do to critized Tszyu accomplishment?

This is new generation of boxing, where promoter cherry picking their opponents, doesn't need to fight every month because of the advance technology.
unlike the old generation of boxing. Unifying division is not easy as you think.. No matter how you want to challenge the other champion if he's not willing to fight you then there's nothing you can do but wait.

 

Tszyu deserves it, tremendous boxer in 2 decades..

 

That should go some of the way to explaining why he should be there. Awesome performance.

 

Check out the punch at the 4:40 mark...perfect textbook punch, setting up the jab for a overhand right with enough zing into it but not too much just in case of a counter.

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McGirt didn't simply get beat by the 2nd best JWW of the era, he got beat by but one of the best fighters p4p during the time (Meldrick Taylor).

The whole point I'm trying to make (which you're missing) is that McGirt lost to some of the best guys in the sport, not simply his division, during the time.

Yes I understand Warren wasn't one of the best (hey nor was Phillips), but I'm referring primarily to Whitaker and Taylor. Guess what? I think Tszyu loses to those guys too. :good

 

How is it no where near as good?

And Boppa, what do you think of Wilfred Benitez' work before the age of 20? Puts Kostya to shame!

Guys in bold are either past their best or shot. :good

Yeah but Cervantes had not just been shut out by Willy Wise.

Some, but most people can put it in its proper context.

Again, some, but everyone (with a brain) knows Mosley was a pale shadow of his best, even though he had beaten the most unskilled fighter of all time in Margarito recently.

Alexis Arguello and probably even Antonio Cervantes (at the stage Pryor beat them) however are better than any guys that Tszyu beat at the time he beat them.

Nice post though. I reckon you did it drunk, true? Pretty good effort :good

 

No doubt 147 was the place to be. 140 was more the nearby shelter for all the guys that couldn't cut it with the elites.

(Partly kidding and trolling here, but welterweight>junior welterweight)