ALI, '4' The Easy Way!

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Makes you think of what Duane Bobick's management was thinking.
    They spend almost 4 years building him against tomato-cans, journey-man,
    trial-horses and border-line Top 20 guys.
    Then as Ali's punching power has diminished, and he'e prime for the taking, they go out and risk it all on Ken Norton.

    They should have stuck to their guns and said no, took on another 2 or 3 soft touches, and demand a title shot.
    The public would have demanded it.

    Geez, Alfredo Evangilista got one at 14-1-1, 5 months later.
     
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  2. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the fact that 4 of them are british makes me so proud
     
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  3. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whats scary, 16-bout pro Alfredo (I'm from Uruguay, not Spain) went
    the distance.
    His eliminator before facing Ali, an 8-Round decision loss to Lorenzo Zanon.
    And that fight was in his transplanted home country of Spain.
    Ever heard of such a thing.

    And they crucified Floyd Patterson for taking on Tom McNeeley.:think
     
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  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    floyd beat london too.london was a tough nut in his own way
     
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  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some on here probably would n't have said a thing if it'd been anyone but Ali defending against Wepner. As I keep saying,Ali's resume is second to none,and he fought anybody who was anybody,when he was champion,or between his two reigns. Yet he's the one who gets slagged off for his few easy ones which every champion has had. I do n't see Terry Daniels,Ron Stander,Marvis Frazier,Scott Frank,Lucien Rodriguez,or Dave Zygliewicz on ALI'S record. Not that I'm knocking the champions concerned.
     
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  6. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    when you factor the likes of liston, frazier, foreman, shavers, lyle, norton, quarry, chuvalo and bonavena in to offset the likes of dunn then his resume (i hate that word)is second to none
     
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  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well after the Norton 3 fight and decision, they seemed to give Ali a lot of get of of jail free cards as far as title defenses was concerned. But if get out of jail free cards are going to be dealt, who better than Ali to receive some? He carried the sport.

    You know, regarding an earlier post, didn't the Ali camp mention they'd fight the winner of the Norton-Bobick fight? That and Futch as former trainer thought he could solve Norton and they took the risk. Bobick would've been a big selling fight and I bet the Ali camp wish they'd just signed a contract before that and cut Norton out. I think Duane was made to order for even an old Ali and drops a decision or gets cut and stopped.

    Come to think of it, a fight between Schutte and Bobick would've been nice. And ugly and foul filled. More like a hockey fight. But I sure don't think Bobick overpowers the guy like his style had him try to do with everyone else.

    I can recall Bobick looking so bad in there against Houpe and it was kind of like Biggs aginst Bey prior to his Tyson fight. As in; this guy needs lots more work or it's a case of cash in the chips on this guy & get whatever you can time.
     
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  8. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ZAD,

    Correct on all counts.
    Duane Bobick looked horrible against Bunny Johnson (all 180 lbs. of him).
    That fight set him back,,,,,,,,2-years in most peoples mind.

    The Fred 'Young Sanford' Houpe fight.
    Actually was called a 'TV Eliminator'.
    That fight was also so bad, that the TV cameras kept focusing on Redd Foxx,
    Fred Houpe's manager.

    Bobicks management foolishly took on the Norton fight. High-risk with little gain.
    Ken Norton needed it more.
    After his KO, Ali had no place to go,,,,,,,,Hello Mr. Evangilista.
     
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  9. Stevie G

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    A Bobick v Bugner fight would have made sense for both men,at the time. My money would have been on Joe.
     
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  10. Il Duce

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    If Bobick's management just rode it out, they would have been the perfect opponent
    for a July 1977 fight in Yankee Stadium.
    Or a 'major' sell-out in Minnesota.

    Can't see Ali at that time knocking Bobick out. No matter how bad Bobick was.
    Bobick's problem was with big right hand bombers, and he didn't have any
    endurance problems.
     
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  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Clearly, Jean-Pierre Coopman belongs with these names.
     
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  12. Il Duce

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    Arno,

    You can make an argument for Duane Bobick
    Before the Ken Norton fiasco on 5/11/77.

    10/30/76,, W Dec,, Fred 'Young Sanford' Houpe 12-0-0 (NBC promoted Houpe with an 18-0-0 record)
    10/2/76,,,, KO 6,,,,Chuck Wepner 33-10-2
    5/24/76,,,,,KO 8,,,,Bunny Johnson 44-7-1
    4/28/76,,,,,W Dec,,Scott LeDoux 18-1-1
    2/6/76,,,,,,W Dec,,Larry Middleton 22-6-2
    12/12/75,,,KO 5,,,Randy Neumann 31-5-0

    Better credentials than Alfredo Evangilista or Leon Spinks
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    It's a testament to Ali's unprecedented popularity in the 1970s that he could fight these bums live on prime time network TV in "world heavyweight championship boxing".
    He could do no wrong. I wonder who he would have fought had he beaten Leon Spinks on his first attempt (one judge did actually give him his vote !) ?
    He plainly didn't want the Norton fight, and said he'd only fight Norton again for 10 million dollars !
     
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  14. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    CBS was shilling big time for Ali.
    Building up these 'third-raters' as qualified challengers for the
    World Heavyweight Title.

    It was apparent, he didn't want Ken Norton any more after 9/76.

    I think he was pushing for a re-match with Antonio Inoki.
    I bought a ticket to that 'sham'.
    In scoring, I gave more rounds to the referee and card girl, than I gave to Ali.
    At least they tried.
    Favorite line by Angelo Dundee in the corner, shouting instructions; 'Stay away from his 'Boston Crab Grab'.

    Lets not forget the early days either.
    So-called fights with Wilt Chamberlin, Jim Brown, and dragging up the only fighter to have knocked out Cassius Clay,,,,,,,,,,,,, Kent Green.

    Also, Lyle Alzado, 1979.
    All he had to do was have 1-fight against a Top 25 rated fighter, and he would have been approved by a
    new Boxing Orginazation for a world title fight, what was it, an NBC-sponsored thing.
    Maybe it was Hennie Thoonen vs. Lyle Alzado for an Eliminator!
     
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  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    joe would have beaten bobick no problem.richard dunn could have too.
     
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