David Haye; the saviour of the heavyweight division?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Young Corbet IV, Dec 19, 2010.


  1. Young Corbet IV

    Young Corbet IV New Member Full Member

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    The consensus view has been that the heavyweight division has been in the doldrums for the past five or six years. There have been no exciting fights and no exciting fighters and its almost certainly the weakest era in heavyweight history. Then along came David Haye. Okay, he's not exactly Jack Dempsey or Mike Tyson, but he has charisma, he's quotable, he's a big puncher and his fights generally have plenty of action. Just what the heavyweight division needed, right?
    In the best case scenario, he would sweep aside the Klitschko brothers and all the other dull eastern European contenders, unify the alphabet belts and then be headlining in Las Vegas. Damn it, given his modelling background he could be on magazine covers advertising men's aftershave and feature in his own reality series on network TV. Having a gorgeous wife is a bonus and - bingo! - he's a household name! Suddenly, the heavyweight champion of the world has restored the wonder and prestige that comes with that status!
    Instead, it's gone the other way. He beat Nicolay Valuev, which was a big plus. That was one dreary, forgettable title-holder out of the way. The fight itself was dull but Haye did what he had to do to win. What next? He beat John Ruiz. Okay, we can live with that. He's not the first title-holder to have to engage in a pointless mandatory defence and he won't be the last. And after that?
    All his bragging and ranting about how he wanted the Klitschko brothers and how he'd easily beat them stopped. Previously, Haye had criticised the Klitschkos for facing soft touches, but what does Haye do next? He signs to fight Audley Harrison!
    What makes matters worse is that Haye has said that he is going to retire by November next year. Given his not-so-active fight schedule, that means that he will have two fights at the most before he quits. Is this the saviour of the heavyweight division?
    Let's assume Haye fights Wladimir Klitschko and beats him. At that stage he could be the saviour the heavyweight division needs. But he won't because he'll retire. Then all the alphabet belts which he would unify in his win over Wladimir would become vacant. So going into 2012, we would have to suffer a series of fights for all the vacant belts. The heavyweight division would just slump even further.
    So who is the saviour of the heavyweight division? There's no one around right now who has the star quality that is necessary. Therefore, my guess is that it's someone we haven't heard of yet, either because they haven't turned pro or they've only had three or four fights and are just starting out. The saviour doesn't have to be a murderous puncher in the Tyson mould. Muhammad Ali proved that. But he does have to fight in an exciting fashion and have a great personality.
    Last year I was kind of hoping that Haye would beat Wladimir Klitschko but now I think I'd prefer Wladimir to win. If Haye wins, we get a bunch of vacant belts with his subsequent retirement. I don't think Wladimir is anything exceptional as a champion but at least if he beats Haye all the titles stay together (except the one his brother has).
    Heavyweight prediction: the division remains in the doldrums for at least another two to three years.
     
  2. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What a load of bollocks :lol:

    If Haye beats WALDO do you think he won't fight VITLAY?

    If WALDO beats Haye do you think he'll go on to fight VITLAY?

    That's where your argument fails my friend.

    If you want to see unification then you'll be supporting Haye cos it ain't gonna happen while the Klits hold different belts. The division is **** and a joke right now, 10 years ago the 'champions' would have been nothing more than an afterthought.
     
  3. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    if he was the saviour he would be defeating all the top heavyweights no he's not the saviour
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If he was a saviour he would have done more in the division than throwing 5 punches per round against Valuev, retiring John Ruiz, and beating the one and only Audley. Haye is a joke and until he fights a Klitschko, he will always be the biggest active joke in boxing. And fighting to an early knockout defeat will not help his cause, he will still be the biggest active joke in boxing. What is it with people?
     
  5. zc727

    zc727 Member Full Member

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    if he beats even one brother then yes we can thank him for bringing some interest back to this division but if hes just another guy in line who gets dominated by a k bro then hes no more a savior then tony thompson.
     
  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    HAH! I love how Fighting Weight calls them WALDO and VITLAY. Makes me chuckle.
     
  7. naldo marshal

    naldo marshal heavyweight champ Full Member

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    :-:)nono
     
  8. H .

    H . Boxing Junkie banned

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    :smoke
     
  9. FeldMunster

    FeldMunster Member Full Member

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    FightingWeight,
    I believe your interpretation of Young Corbet's post seems slightly off. If Haye retires after defeating Wladimir and/or Vitali, his title unification will not be very meaningful to the division. All of the titles will again be fractured and will require time to be re-unified AGAIN. To be called the heavyweight division's savior will require Haye to continue fighting on after unifying.
     
  10. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly, just call them their real names and have some respect.

    If you have an agenda then you start making up nicknames and bitching like a cheap *****.

    David Haye has proven nothing in my opinion to beat Vitali.

    I do believe however that he could beat Wlad, if he was able to land early and unsettle Wlad.

    Thats my opinion.
     
  11. Young Corbet IV

    Young Corbet IV New Member Full Member

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    Bollocks, eh?

    If Haye can fit in only two more fights given that he's supposedly retiring in less than a year, then he may fight both Klitschko brothers. Let's say he fights Wladimir first. If Haye wins, his next and final fight will either be a rematch with Wladimir or a clash with Vitali. I did actually mention that the winner of Wladimir-Haye will have all the belts except the one his brother has.

    But the point here is not just about unification. It's about the future of the division. At least if Wladimir wins then the WBA, IBF, and The Ring magazine belts will all stay together. The argument is that Haye cannot be the saviour of the division because even if he beats Wladimir and Vitali he's going to quit. Neither can Wladimir be the saviour because he's as dull as an accountants convention. Therefore, the division will remain without a star.
     
  12. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Haye would be demolished by Virchis, Dimentrenko, Ustinov, and Wawrzyk.
     
  13. artful

    artful *practice makes perfect* Full Member

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    Herbzg speaks the truth once again:deal what an honor it is to have a Euro-level poster like this on the forum.
     
  14. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are usually on top of your game, but this time :patsch

    All these fighters are not true Euro level but are just pretenders. They might as well be American. Ustinov?:-(
     
  15. artful

    artful *practice makes perfect* Full Member

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    Come on you probably had Alexander beating Kotelnik? Im right aren't I.