Did Hagler carry Antuofermo, Duran and Leonard ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Unforgiven, Dec 19, 2010.


  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Not sure about that. And it's not really my concern. Anyone who can actually read the thread will know that you started with all the insults and childish tones. Honestly, I really thought that "internet tough guy" stuff was for kids. I can have a laugh with it but gets a bit boring. I'll let you crack on with it mate.

    You give away more about yourself here than you say about me ^
     
  2. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let it go you over-sensitive sad humourless pratt:tired
     
  3. red cobra

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    It waa a case in all three examples of Marvin's only real weakness at times..being tactical indecisiveness (occasionally). He could have beaten all three with the right tactics...ala his fight with Hearns. If only Marvin had turned the Tiger loose.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Sure, I'm not saying it's true.
    It exists at least as an urban myth though, and there's no harm in discussing those.
    The fact that I heard it twice made me wonder if anyone else knows of it.

    Duranimal has his own issues that make him feel the need to ridicule. It's kid's stuff and it's not up to us to mother him along.
    Outside of that though, he makes some good points. But I think he's a bit naïve when he says that fighters cannot be under instructions or agreement in Super-fights. He takes it on blind faith that things cannot be like that, but business is business. I guess the mere thought of boxing being that much of a "show" rather than a pure sporting contest depresses people too much, even more so because they know deep down things might be that way.
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    You like it here, don't you ?

    :D
     
  6. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Never more so as in the Leonard fight, he should have run him down & when you consider his approach during those first 4 rounds if he'd made leonard expend priceless energy it would have been a bargain well struck conceding those rounds as i've always been convinced that Leonard would have been gassed out by the 7th/8th & proberbly been back to his flat footed self which was exactly what marvin would have wanted.

    Leonard could'nt hurt him so why the reticence, I've never ever cut to the petronellies, surely they must have grasped the obvious & that was to jump on Leonard from the 1st ring a ding & not assume that all will be delivered in the 2nd half of the fight. Once Leonard had realised by the 5th round that the fight was just a couple of rounds away from being in the bag then there was no way he was ever going to let marvin get near him.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I think the fact that Hagler complained about the Antuofermo decision, the closeness of the scoring in the Duran fight, and the Leonard fight, actually make the suggestion that he "carried" all three of them VERY unlikely.
    He wouldn't be so stupid to allow the risk over and over again. Unless he was a great actor and actually didn't mind losing.
    :rofl

    He was bitter regardless.

    I've never liked the Hagler-Leonard fight though, there's something about it that just doesn't fit. I'm not saying it's crooked, but both fighters fought in a very unusual manner, and it was entertaining rather than exciting. It had a little too much showbusiness about it. Hagler seemed to let Leonard off the hook a couple of times, and Leonard never punched Hagler with his best shot to get some respect. Hagler must have been over-the-hill, but even so, his tactics were lacking badly, consider how much he hated Ray and didn't trust judges. I guess that's just how they fought.
     
  8. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'm convinced he carried antuofermo.i'd put money on it.duran probably but leonard , no.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Exactly.
    So, why the reticence ?
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Without any evidence, I'd say it's unlikely he carried any of them, but certainly not beyond reason.
    Carrying all three would be very unlikely.

    I think Antuofermo is the most likely, even though he wanted the title. If deals like this go down, perhaps they are told which way the judges will go, but that doesn't stop the decision being a possible double-cross.
    For that very reason, the idea that Hagler would agree to go 12 with Leonard seems very unlikely, since he'd been stung before. Unless of course the idea is to set up a rematch, in which case his hands were tied. But if that was how it was, the double-cross and no rematch are truly apalling.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i was an amateur boxer at the time and my trainer said that antuofermo would get a couple of pay days out of his title and then hagler would get it.my trainer had a wise old head and i wouldn't have doubted him
    minter hadn't even been mentioned then.
     
  12. natonic

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    I don't always agree with Duranimal's bedside manner, but this is one of the most dead-on posts I've read.
     
  13. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Elvis lives & you've known all along hav'nt yer:yep
     
  14. Beatle

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    There's no need to make up weird stories: just look at the fight and you'll see Hagler outbox Leonard and win the fight 115-113. Two judges got paid off, but we all know what we saw. Hagler is probably the best fighter of all time p4p.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    But seriously .... what's your answer ? Why did Hagler fight like that ?

    You're something of a psychologist and I'm guessing your theory has a lot of speculation about the inner workings of Hagler's mind.