I can never decide who to rank higher between Chavez and Jones Jr

roy jones by a good distance

 

Jones but not by much.

 

Opposition beaten

Julio Cesar Chavez...VS....Roy Jones Jr
Meldrick Taylor...................James Toney
Hector Camacho.................Bernard Hopkins
Edwin Rosario.....................John Ruiz
Roger Mayweather...............Virgil Hill
Jose Luis Ramirez.................Mike McCallum
Greg Haugen.......................Reggie Johnson
Frankie Randall....................Antonio Tarver
Rocky Lockridge..................Thulani Malinga or Montell Griffen/Clinton Woods.....

Achievements in World Titles won

JCC: 3 weight world champion
- SFW: WBC,
- LW: WBA, WBC, The Ring
- LWW: WBC, IBF

RJJ: 4 weight world champion
- MW: IBF
- SMW: IBF,
- LHW: WBC, WBA, IBF, The Ring
- HW: WBA

Other Stats:

Former world champions beaten:
JCC: 14 (Mayweather, Lockridge, LaPorte, Rosario, Limon, Ramirez, Taylor, Smith, Camacho, Haugen, Randall, Lopez, Parisi, Gamache)
RJJ: 8 (Vaca, Toney, Pazienza, Hill, Grant, Johnson, Trinidad, Lacy)

Reigning World Champions beaten:
JCC: 5 (Mayweather, Rosario, Ramirez, Taylor, Randall)
RJJ: 6 (Toney, Griffen, Del Valle, Johnson, Ruiz, Tarver)

Future World Champions beaten:
JCC: 7 (Mayweather, Lockridge, Rosario, Fuentas, Taylor, Randall, Parisi)
RJJ: 10 (Castro, Hopkins, Malinga, Toney, Lucas, McCallum, Hill, Gonzalez, Woods, Ruiz)

Conclusion:
RJJ is a little over rated, and Chavez is a little under rated. Its close but RJJ has achieved a little more. But Chavez faced the stronger comp.

RJJ.

 

Just based on a resume Chavez's best 5 wins as I see them-

1. Meldrick Taylor- Taylor was favorite in fight. Goes with out saying a awesome fighter ranked in the p4p ranking after a rare ko loss for Buddy Mckirt. Took his undefeated record and this is really a case of a boxer having his futue beaten out of him.

2. Edwin Rosario- favorite in the fight. World champ and future world champ once again. While never reached potential was a devastating puncher and goes up well aganst all but a few lightweights H2H. Biggest puncher Chavez faced.

3- Jose Louis Ramirez- cracking fighter few years removed from beating Rosario. Before that lost a ultra close decision to the ATG Arguello. Unfortuantly remembered for bs win against Sweet Pea and getting dominated in rematch. Underrated tough *******.

4-Hector Camacho- Only lost once. Very good fighter in and around prime are. Unfortuantly the negative Camacho, not the early exciting one. Didn't achieve much on world scene after but had serious world level skills.

5- Mario Martinez- Martinez favorite in fight. Up and coming prospect, more touted than Chavez. Extremely close fights later on with Azumah Nelson and gave Fenech and R. Mayweather hell (what I've heard not seen)


Its so hard to label these wins unfortuantly. RJJ's best 5 are better than these. But the depth of the resume goes to Chavez for me. Fighters like
R.Mayweather
Ruben Castillo
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Giovanni Parisi
Juan Laporte
Rocky Lockridge
Frankie Randall (bs win, why I left out of top 5)
Giovanni Parisi
Greg Haugen
Terrance Ali
Sammy Fuentes
Tony Lopez (not best version but his performance was admirable)

These guys to me are a noticable step up from the Julio Gonzalez, Clinton Woods etc. I mean these guys were proven commodoties at the time (some past there best admittingly). JCC beat guys when they were more highly regarded. Just my 2 cents on his resume, I know a decent amount about his career. This does not delve into his awesome fighting style, just a look at his resume. Challengers were consistently in the top 10 of good solid divisions. He very rarely looked out of sorts in destoying them. Loads of future and past world champs in his resume just no Toney's etc. Its a funny thing but its hard to rate his resume due to its sheer mass and few top, top operators. Depends on what you prefer I suppose.

 

damn u for making me choose. I chose Chavez by a smidge. Damn you.

 

Nice post but this is were it gets dodgy. Chavez's wins over past champs in Lopez, Limon and Gamache (possibly I'm dont know to much bout him) were very faded. Same with RJJs wins over Mccallum, Trinidad, Lacy etc

 

can we get him to play with finger paints and Crayolas?

He really pushes the obnoxious envelope. He takes obnoxious to places nobody thought was possible.

 

Good post, except Taylor having his future "beaten out of him". That is greatly exaggerated, thanks in no small part to HBO's Legendary Myths.

I'm not really into rating fighters myself but Chavez gets too much flack. He basically beat a who's who of the guys from 130-140 in the 80s and early 90s. He was an extremely skilled pressure fighter who knew how to cut off the ring. Terrific in his combinations which he placed well to both body and head, solid upper body movement, and a great chin when he did get caught.

 

Ok I agree I probably did exagrerate. I've seen his fights after JCC against him again, Esapano, Taylor and two others. While he still had plenty of skills there seemed something missing. I was probably more influenced by how his speaking changed significantly seemingly only 1 year after the fight.

 

Give me a break. David Haye just beat a 38 year old John Ruiz and enough people on this forum were making it out to be a big freaking deal. Roy Jones fought him 7 years ago coming up in weight, and clowned him. Yes, he was HW champion of the world.

 

No. He wasn't. Lennox Lewis was the Heavyweight Champion of the World.

John Ruiz was the Heavyweight Champion of the WBA.

A great win for Roy, but let's just get things clear.

 

I like JCC's career a bit more, and feel if he isnt necessarily better, he's more dependable in H2H match ups. Roy even at his best is going to come across major problems against the Spinks and Foster's of the sport, I don't think there's anyone at 135-140 I'd pick to beat prime JCC the way I feel the likes of Spinks and a few others would beat Jones at 168-175. The difference in "greatness" is basically negligible though.

 

I think Roy jones is higher, middleweight to heavyweight champ..