Monzon vs Sugar Ray Leonard

hagler had slipped and the timing of the fight was bang on for leonard but he would have needed a baseball bat to hurt hagler.

 

Well, it wasn't Leonard at his smoothest I' say. But he made a statement by icing a good, tricky southpaw at his first venture at the weight. It would have been interesting to see what he could have accomplished at that weight.

 

No, neither of Monzon´s opponents is on the level of Hagler. But there actually a few that are better than the faded Hagler Leonard beat controversially. Valdez, Benvenuti, Griffith.

 

The way I see it.

 

Monzon was a superior ring general to Hearns and given his size advantage, he would dictate the fight. He was although a master of setting a pace with endless stamina. You would see Monzon stepping it up in the second half of the fight when Leonard starts to fade. It will be competative early on, Monzon takes the lead in the midrounds with Leonard still beeing cagey and in the fight but the last 5 rounds will be one-sided.

 

Hagler would have pissed Griffith.

 

probably.hagler would have beaten monzon too but not easily.

 

Pime Hagler would have beaten him decisively I agree. Not the Hagler Leonard faced though.

 

Monzon-Hagler is a 50-50 fight. Thing is, Monzon fought fighters who could do some things Hagler could do as well, although not all of them at the same time. He has seen and weathered everything Hagler brings to the table in his career. Not combined in one fighter though. The same is only partially true for the other side. Hagler never faced a fighter with the pacing of Monzon or the way he fought inside. Something that may very well decide the outcome here.

I think it depends how Marvin copes with Carlos on the inside. If he can avoid Monzon´s spoiling tactics there and get some work done he may win. He also needs to work the body visciously to spoil Carlos´usual stepping up towards the end of the fight. If not it will be an outside game and that´s where Monzon would get the better of him.

See, I like both fighters inside the ring. They are amongst the very best and greatest mws ever - although neither is a Bubi Scholz. And I can appreciate the work of both, unlike some others on here. I have to add that I don´t like Monzon´s women beating behavious outside of the ring and neither do I like Marvin´s bitterness but I think their nature - Monzon´s viciousness and Marvin´s bitterness - made them the great fighters they were.

 

No way. Light-heavyweight power puncher Donny Lalonde couldn't put away an old Leonard. Leonard was rarely down and was never on ***** street in any fight (unless you count the joke fights when he was totally shot - even then he took punishment well), he has a rock solid chin proven against many hard hitters. Monzon had good power but hit no harder than Hearns or Hagler.

As for the matchup, I think Leonard has the perfect style to beat Monzon - a slick, fast boxer with great footwork, a master ring general, with flashy combination punching and a great chin. Monzon never fought anyone of Leonard's style or calibre, whereas Leonard has beaten several fighters at the level of Monzon. Of course he has the size issue to contend with, which makes it a close fight, since Carlos was an especially big and rangy MW. IMO Leonard would be a very slight favourite to do the same as he did to Hagler, and eke out a points victory with his superior speed, boxing skills, and ring generalship.

 

leonard made sure the fight with lalonde wasn't at 175lb.the peak hagler would stop leonard, srl's best punches would bounce of hagler

 

I think if Leonard fights Hagler like he did Duran the second time he may trouble him for quite a while. Hagler wouldn´t quit though and get to him in the end.

 

hagler was a beast.he's the top middle for me, i couldn't imagine him getting hurt.
:twisted:a hard hard man:twisted:

 

Leonard didn't have the power to hurt Hagler either. No one is getting KOd in a fight between two guys with granite chins.

Leonard was a master outside boxer, clearly quicker and more skilled than the relatively static Monzon. It would be skill and speed vs size and strength. In an inside-fighting contest or a war, that favours Monzon. In an out-fighting contest, that favours the faster more skilful boxer i.e. Leonard.

Carlos would need to mix it up to win. But Leonard is not that easy to catch, as Hagler discovered.

 

But this is a dumb theory - you don't need a career at a weight, to be able to move up and get a win over a champion at the bigger weight. See Spinks vs Holmes, Duran vs Leonard, Leonard vs Hagler.

An ATG at one division can often be competitive if he goes 1 division higher - especially something like WW to MW, which is not a huge leap (unlike LHW to HW, for example). Class and skill don't disappear just because you put on 10 lbs.