Some people here are saying that Hopkins was winning the rounds in which he was floored, and so those should be scored 10-9 for Pascal. That's absurd. Years ago, when a fighter was floored, the man standing could continue hitting him as soon as he got his knee up. Today, the man standing has to go to a corner and give the fallen opponent 8 seconds to recuperate. Imagine you are fighting, and your opponent is winning the round, but then you knock him down. The ref tells you to go to the neutral corner and let your opponent recover. Don't you think you deserve a 10-8 round for having to wait and not throw punches? The extra point is the price a fighter pays for those precious 8 seconds in which the other man has to go away and let him recuperate from the knockdown. It's more than fair. The old rules were much harsher on the fallen man. 10-8 is really the least you can do for the man who has scored a KD.
I don't like how KDs make it nearly impossible for the fighter who was floored to make it into a 9-8 round.
I agree entirely. Even if you're beating a guy up before you get dropped, the fact you got knocked down supercedes anything else. Problem in the Hopkins fight is the first KD was behind the head so it was controversial.
Nah bull**** If the fighter who is knocked down beat the **** out of the opponent the way Maidana beat the **** out of Khan in round 10 it should deffo not be a 10-8 round Hopkins v Pascal isnt the best example of this
IMO from what I've seen, You have to really be beating the hell out of the guy who knocked you down to get an even round. I see guys on here justifying the 114-114 scorecard from the Belguim Judge. For that amout to come up, He has to give hopkins both of the KD rounds for the total points to come to 228 (114-114). If he gave hopkins both of those rounds then what 5 rounds did he give pascal?
knockdowns should always be 10/8 regardless and specificly if its scored a knockdown by the referee, so what if its behind the head once the ref calles it a knockdown its official10/8.
*I've often thought and brought up a new system... a knockdown would be scored as .5 point... I hate that a fighter can be knocked down twice in one round.. and it would take that fighter to win 3 of the next rounds just to even the match... knockdowns count way too much. *This is going to sound funny... but bare with me... I once thought knockdown could be counted differently... a flash knockdown as .25 of a point, a knockdown where a guy gets caught as .5... and a serious knockdown where the guy is still in big danger as .75 flash KDs= like when Hopkins went down in his last fight,..i think flash knockdowns r pretty obvious. true knockdowns=when Pac knocked Marquez down 3 times in one round... when cal went down in the Hopkins fight... fighter went down, but not really in danger yet. serious KDs=like when Khan was down by prescott... these r when a fighter gets up.. and the fighter is in real danger but fights on. *too complicated? I have always hated that when pac fought Marquez..and Marquez went down 3 times... some wanted to give Pac a 10-6 round... in one round! U don't win a fight cuz u had a good round..sorry,that's how i feel. With the system we have now, in a 10-6 round,..in a 4 round fight... how can the other win a decision? *What i'm trying to say is Knockdowns carry to much weight ...
How about Marquez knocking Pacquio back? Not like there were distinct rules for each fighter? How about to change the rule each time your favorite lose? Fair enough isn't?
Since we are on this topic, I want to chime in and say I liked the old standing 8 rule. Nowadays, they stop a fight and call it quits some times too often. I do not want to see any one permanently hurt, and I agree with many stoppages, but there have been those few, when a fighter does not go down, and he is taking a beating, and the ref calls the fight, when the beating in my opinion has not been that extreme, and instead of stopping the fight, give this guy a standing 8, and rule it as a KD instead of fight over. I'm not sure if the standing 8 rule still exists, or at least in every state. I think I've seen it happen recently, but its just not used enough any more. Anyone else agree?
But you give no argument. Khan was taking Maidana's punches without the ref having to step in and give him 8 seconds to recover. In round 3, hopkins went down and Pascal was forced by the ref to stop punching and wait for 8 seconds in a neutral corner. That more than justifies giving an extra point to Pascal. I wouldn't mind giving a 10-7 round to a fighter who scores a KD.
There is no reason at all for a knockdown automatically meaning a 10-8. If the guy that gets knocked down dominates the rest of the round then the judge is quite entitled to score the round 9-9.
You do have a point that's why generally speaking I normally always give a 10-8 round to the guy who scored the knockdown. I will make a note that in the case of Hopkins vs. Pascal even counting the 2 rounds as 10-8 rounds for Pascal I STILL had him losing. Much like WLad vs. Peter 1 despite the 3 knockdowns , Wlad still clearly won the fight. Back to the topic at hand , I will say there are those rare occasions where i'd be willing to score a 10-9 round even though a knockdown occured. That will be in a flash knockdown situation. If me & you were in the ring and you were beating the sh*t out of me the entire round about to score a ko yourself, i'm backing up then with 15 seconds left in the round you land an overhand right, then you attempt to bring it home with a left hook , you miss and you're then off balance. If I then jab you and you fall to the ground. You think that deserves a 10-8 round in my favor? where you were beating me about 2:45 seconds into the fight and I simply land a weak audley harrison type jab to knock you down. In a rare occurence like that I'd say the round should be 10-9. Key word being RARE occurence but it can happen.