joe frazier 70-71 vs THESE FIGHTERS

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  1. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    Vs marciano
    vs joe louis
    vs prime gerry cooney
    vs michael spinks
    vs joe walcott
    vs ezzard charles
    vs ron lyle
    vs jimmy young
    vs prime holyfield
    vs prime tyson
    VS LARRY HOLMES
    i will not say my opinion, simply i want to know other opinions about this topic
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That was a rare peak.

    To beat him, you have to stop him. That's my opinion. So you can lift out basically anyone without the punching power to beat him straight up for me. He couldn't be out-pointed and that's how I see it.

    Frazier's performance against Foreman means he's always going to come up short against punchers in these type of fantasy picks, but I see Frazier as a much lesser fighter post-peak than fighters of another style, because that top 1% is so much more important for a fighter that swarms and presses, be it in terms of attitude, training or physical equipment (especially engine), but Frazier does look stupid boring into Foreman over and again and that's fair to point out. If you could hurt him very badly he's there for the taking in this regard.

    I won't name names, because you'd be here all night on this forum with just one of these fantasy fights, never mind in a thread where you lay out twenty, but i'd pick him 100% of the time against boxers, but much more cautionsly against the serious punchers. If you're cute, forget it, he drags it out of those poor *******s 10 times out of 10.

    One thing - Frazier showed me he only had one war in him if he's in possession of the title. I consider him superior to Marciano at his best, but he could never do what Marciano did for this reason. Frazier is the superior machine, but Marciano could not be killed.
     
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  3. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    vs Marciano- Frazier SD

    vs Louis- Louis KO 7

    vs Cooney- Frazier TKO 8

    vs Spinks- Frazier KO 5

    vs Walcott- Frazier MD

    vs Charles- Frazier UD

    vs Lyle- Frazier TKO 10

    vs Young- Frazier MD

    vs Holyfield- Holyfield SD

    vs Tyson- Tyson KO 4
     
    DDDUUDDDEE, Dec 22, 2010
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  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My 2 cents...
    Frazier/Louis: If Frazier gets past round seven he has a shot.
    Frazier/Cooney: Cooney would hurt him early, maybe floor him. But intense pressure and pace unravels Cooney by round 5.
    Frazier/Spinks: Spinks is KO'd in four.
    Frazier/Walcott: Never ever considered this fight before. Walcott has success early, but is eventually drawn into the gutter to fight. Frazier Decision.
    Frazier/Charles: As great as Charles is, he is stopped in round ten against the best Frazier.
    Frazier/Lyle: Frazier endures being hurt early once again, in some hellacious opening rounds. Frazier comes off the floor, and breaks Lyle mentally then physically. Lyle has nothing left after seven rounds and is KO'd in eight in the best fight ever.
    Frazier/Young: Against the peak Frazier, Jimmy Young is stopped in round 11. Young fights strictly for survival.
    Frazier/Holyfield: A war. Frazier by decision.
    Frazier/Tyson: Tough to really call. If Frazier can last past round five, he stops Tyson. If it is stopped early, it is likely Tyson wins by KO.
     
    dpw417, Dec 22, 2010
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  5. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    vs Marciano-Frazier sd
    vs Louis- Louis tko5
    vs Cooney- Frazier TKO10
    vs spinks- Frazier KO 3
    vs Walcott- Frazier UD
    vs Charles- Frazier UD
    vs lyle- Frazier TKO7
    vs Young- Frazier SD
    vs Holyfield- Frazier UD
    vs Tyson- Frazier TKO12
     
    tommygun711, Dec 22, 2010
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  6. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    really my opinion is exactly equal . 100% in every fight
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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  7. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    guys I will add larry holmes to the list.
    THIS FIGHT WOULD BE A ****ING WAR PRIME VS PRIME
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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  8. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Frazier SD
     
    DDDUUDDDEE, Dec 22, 2010
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  9. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis would beat him.
    Marciano and him 50/50.
    The others, I'd favour Frazier, to varying degrees.
     
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  10. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    i agree
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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  11. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    about louis i am not sure.
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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  12. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    with Holmes that would be a fight that would go either way IMO. Holmes had greater punching power then Ali but lacked the speed and movement of Ali. he also had a very good uppercut but I'm pretty sure I'd edge it for Frazier by close decision..
     
    tommygun711, Dec 22, 2010
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  13. Unforgiven

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    I'd rate them about the same. In fact, I'd say Ali probably had more pop when he was on top form.
     
    Unforgiven, Dec 22, 2010
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  14. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    seriously? I'm sure about that. seemed like Holmes got more leverage and weight behind his shots. Ali sometimes arm-punched. I would say Holmes had more snap in his jab. besides power it's all Ali IMO.
     
    tommygun711, Dec 22, 2010
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  15. combatesdeboxeo

    combatesdeboxeo Guest

    Yes, i would say that holmes was lightly harder puncher but ali had better pack
     
    combatesdeboxeo, Dec 22, 2010
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