Rating Poochiao over Duran.

Duran at 147 would have been a war with pacquiao, hagler would probably stop pac. Leonard if he uses his legs also beats him..
TOmmy hearns im not even going there.

 

Unless you are saying this, and that Duran isn't great and just has a great win, which of course I'm sure you aren't, then I really don't see the relevance or what you are getting at.

Tyson is rated as a great at heavyweight, yet his heavyweight resumé is poor when stacked up against most other HW greats. And that's without even taking any of his top wins away, take away Holmes and it looks even worse.

Taking away a great win from a fighters resumé can make a lot of fighters in history go from great to very good, but that's not the case.

I don't think people are over-rating him on the basis of that win, people don't over-rate Turpin just because he beat Robinson in his prime years. He wouldn't have beaten that version of Leonard in such fashion if he wasn't great, nor would he have dominated his lightweight era, beaten other names at welterweight, won a MW belt and gone the distance with a prime top 5 middleweight of all-time.

 

Are you asking for evidence that Duran moves his head and hits with tenacity? Go and watch him fight for the first time ever, that'll be your evidence.

 

Took me 5 seconds and I already found one.

 

That's exactly what you've been asking for on a plate. Now either except it or **** off and stop wasting my time you ****.

 

The point of my reference to the Tyson win is the overrating that may come with it. For example we could say Douglas beats Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield...why, well he beat Tyson.

I find that goes with Duran too, in a lot of arguments we automatically assume Duran beats someone because well, he beat SRL. Duran vs Floyd, of course Duran destroys him, he beat SRL and SRL>>>Floyd. Not saying all fans think like that but a lot do which adds to his myth.

When you think about it, Duran has never been able to replicate a win anywhere close to that. He failed against Benitez, Hearns, Duran and failed in the rematch. So why are we to assume he would easily replicate his best performance ever so easily again against someone who is near or equally as great as those guys. I would easily rank guys like Pac/PBF in those ranks.

Like I said, Duran is one of my favs and defended him lots in this forum, his 1 great win is backed up by a lot of very good wins unlike Douglas. However I do think there really isn't that much gap between Pac and Duran, both ATG and H2H. Where Pac is lacking in that 1 big win which will hopefully come with PBF, he makes up for it by lots of very good wins and a few exceptional ones.

 

Well if we are taking about prime peaked Duran (the one who fought SRL 1) then i honestly dont see how Pacquiao beats him...Slow ass Margo and punching bag Clottey tagged him several times, imagine what a much more skilled, and relentless beast like prime Duran would do?

and did somebody seriously say Pac would beat Hagler? MARVIN ****ING HAGLER? jesus christ, some of you *******s should really watch some more boxing besides pacquiao.

 

Cotto, Margarito and Hatton are greater than any fighter that Duran has ever fought.

Magic, you're delusional mate. See a doctor.

 

But he got destroyed by Holyfield in his next fight, and people recognise that Tyson was alreay beyond his best at that point, plus styles come into it a little bit.

People saying that Douglas would beat a prime Frazier, Holyfield etc wouldn't really have a leg to stand on because he did nothing else and got destroyed by the only other great he faced.

People saying Duran would beat the likes of Benny Leonard, Gans, Ike Williams, Canzoneri at 135 or the likes of Trinidad, De La Hoya etc at 147 would have a case. He didn't get blown out by the other greats he faced [bar Hearns, above his best weight and past his best] and he beat some other top fighters and was competitive enough with some other greats won past his prime and above his best weight.

Again, I really don't see what you are getting at here. People don't just rate Duran off one win, it's across the body of his work in the sport and his ability and what he looks like on film.

I find that goes with Duran too, in a lot of arguments we automatically assume Duran beats someone because well, he beat SRL. Duran vs Floyd, of course Duran destroys him, he beat SRL and SRL>>>Floyd. Not saying all fans think like that but a lot do which adds to his myth.

But were we expecting a past his prime Duran, 3 weights above his best, to beat a peak monster like Thomas Hearns, an ATG in his own right, at possibly his best weight? Benitez had ATG ability aswell when he turned up and again, Duran past his best and above his best weight.

He never really had an opportunity to fight another great while he was in his prime apart from Leonard, and he beat him. An undefeated, peak top 20 or so ATG at his best weight while Duran was two weights above his own best.

Okay. I just feel like many that Duran has the better top win(s), I feel personally he has a greater body of work against the A-/B+ sorts of fighters, displayed more dominance throughout a single weight class, and notched a similarly wide range of top wins, i.e from Marcel at 130 to Barkley at 160, like Pacquiao vs Sasakul at 108 to Cotto at 145. I'm not denying that Pacquiao isn't a great, I wouldn't argue that a top 30 place, but most people including myself would tend to have 15-20 places between them on an ATG P4P list at least.

 

Duran is a top 15 ATG, Pac is in top 20..

 

:huh

 

Pac beats marvin hagler?????? Hell to the no maaan!!!!! Prime hagler would ****ing murder him, Pac isn't going to be able to stay away and will end up trading and will go out on his shield a disfigured corpse