the version of lyle who fought foreman in the era of marciano.

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  1. spoon gave a war to larry holmes, and holmes would beat walcott,charles and moore any day of the week, and they were not in their primes when they faced marciano(holmes would beat all them in their primes as well), i am sure that spoon would beat all them at this time. if you are comparing foreman with shavers you have a serious problem.
    as limited was foreman he won the gold medal and he would kill marciano with a hand in the back, even the old foreman who faced holyfield.
    like i said. i am pretty sure that lyle would ko archie moore and much more the version who fought marciano, a prime walcott and prime charles probably would beat lyle by ud, but they were not in their prime. lyle might well beat this version of charles and this version of walcott.
     
  2. for a second i did think that you were serious lol
     
  3. the same guy who lost against piklon tommas? the same spoon who lost by brutal ko in 1 round against james smith? noway

    you forget that marciano never faced a guy stronger than himself, lyle was stronger bigger,much more muscular, he had heart, he took shots from harder punchers than rocky and lyle had much longer reach and he was 35 pounds heavier.lyle could punch and he could fight. the style of lyle was not good for rocky. if rocky can go more than 6 rounds, he would win for sure, if lyle catch him early, it is over.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It has to be noted that there were a number of bigger heavyweights with good power in this era such as Valdez, Baker and Walls, and the small slick fighters like Archie Moore and Harold Johnson feilded them all away from the title.

    How Lyle would fare in this era would depend initialy upon some wars with other punchers such as Layne, Henry, Satterfield and Valdez. The final hurdle would probably be a fight with either Moore or Johnson. I am sure that he would pick up losses like the other top contenders of this period, even getting to Marciano.
     
  5. yes, it for sure, but i think that he would have his chance for the title, and he might well beat this version of charles and this version of walcott. but yes, probably he would lose too against some guys , but really i think that lyle would have more problems in the era of louis with guys like billy conn.
     
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    There is one ironic twist.

    Although this era is weaker than the one that Lyle fought in, it is actualy harder to get a shot at the title. Marciano basicaly won't give you a title shot unless you are ranked #1 or at least #2 by Ring Magazine.

    I think Lyle probably would get to fight for the title, but it is possible to imagine a scenario wher he draws the wrong matches ans dosnt.
     
  7. lyle did his pro debut in his 30s 43(31ko)-7 and he did beat jimmy ellis, joe bugner, peralta(96-8 ),shavers,bonavena,busther mathis.
    he lost against jimmy young, quarry , he gave the hell to foreman and he gave a good fight to ali.

    ron lyle is absolutely underrated.


    for example donovan ruddock(overrated like the hell by the tyson fans)

    38(29ko)-5 and he fought in his 20s, lyle not.

    he did beat james smith,michael dokes,greg page end of the history.
    he lost against tyson (post douglas) twice , he was destroyed by morrison and lewis.
    how ****ing hell was ruddock even as good as lyle?
     
  8. janitor

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    I don't personaly think that Ruddock was as good as Lyle, but they are both fighters who tend to get rated based on valiant loosing efforts against great fighters.
     
  9. tommygun711

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    spoon still has a much better resume then Lyle. yeah he lost to fighters he shouldn't have but im talking prime spoon who gave Holme a ran for his money and who beat tubbs, gonzalaz, mercer, Williams, and other good contenders. he also rematched smith and completely dominated him to a decision.
    yeah, Lyle is stronger and bigger then Marciano. he still doesn't have the same stamina and hits harder. I'd take Marciano to outlast him and score a TKO.
     
  10. yes, i know but man, i hate when the people say nonsense " ruddock was better than lyle"
    "prime tyson would destroy prime holyfield " basing on??

    lyle never fought in his prime and still he has better record against better fighters. i know that lyle was no joe louis but he was a great contender who might be a champ in other era(just like quarry,young,ellis,chuvalo..), he fought in the golden era against great champs, some idiot says " lyle was not great" " he was limited like foreman" and probably the idiot who said it never trained boxing.
     
  11. spoon did not have much better resume than lyle tommy. never!!
     
  12. Seamus

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    I still hold a realistic estimation of their abilities, b-raters in just about any era. Both had significant flaws and shortcomings.
     
  13. janitor

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    I also take a lot of convincing that a second teir ighter from era A is better than the champions in era B.

    I do think that I could do a lot with Young or Quarry today.
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yes, he did.

    Lyle Ko'd the oft chinny Shavers, fat-ass past-it Mathis and decisioned non-entities Bonavena and Bugner. Wow.

    Spoon had Page, Bonecrusher, Snipes, Tubbs and Bruno on the winning side of his resume.
     
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    I think especially Quarry would always be in the mix but today he would probably be a cruiser, and a great one. If things had gone differently for him, he could have been great, but personal issues and injuries derailed his talent.

    Young, meh... I don't think as highly of him. I don't know if he had the potential to be consistent. But still he would have been in the mix at some time.