Are we all in agreement that...

Really? Cause Mosley has looked downright average against not so hot competition lately and JMM on the other hand has looked pretty good. JMM has also proven himself in the past to be a challenge for Pacquiao. So how is there no way?

Sadly this. Mosley can get really hurt in this fight.

 

After seeing how Shane tired and became thoroughly disillusioned and demoralized against Floyd, I see the same thing happening, because he will be taking so many more clean shots than he is landing. The pace and intensity that Pacquiao sets as well as the punishment will break the older man down worse than the Mayweather fight, and whereas vs Floyd brother Naazim was saying in the corner "Don't be makin me do somethin I don't wanna do", this time he will shouting for the referee to end it. This will not be a close fight at all. It will be target practice. JMHO.

 

Wait, so Marquez is vulnerable because he moved up in weight and KO the champion in Diaz?

Then he KO the number 1 contender and hard-hitting, pressure fighter (which is stylistically the worst matchup for a counter-puncher) in Katsidis?

Yes, Marquez's opponents have been competitive in parts of the fight, but that's what happens when you match good fighters against one another. You have conveniently forgot that JMM figured out these guys and dominated them, and ignoring how highly they were rated at the time.

If JMM wanted to look exceptional he could have taken an easier route and not faced the best.


FYI for original post, I think JMM v Pac III is pretty much gone. I think Pac has grown into his welter body and I really don't think JMM should be moving up at this late in his career.

 

Yeah no doubt I can definitely see that as a possibility. If he becomes the first man to stop Mosley, more credit to him.

 

You know fine well that "Team Pacquiao" sought the Mayweather fight, and you know there was the drug test issue, then the money issue, then the pretence of fake negotiations, then the vacation, then the loss of the urge.

It doesn't make you a "*******" or a "Floyd hater" to simply acknowledge reality. Everyone other than General Forum "***** trolls" like NALLEGE are cool with this now. It's beyond obvious. It's not even a debate anymore.

 

JMM has looked vulnerable against guys who aren't even close to being in Pacquaios league when he was at 135, let alone now. People don't approach JMM objectively because his fights have been entertaining, and his opponents get rated higher than they should because they showed so much guts. JMM is slipping but because his fights have been pure entertainment gold, it slides under the radar.

Diaz and Katsidis are barely world champion level, even though they are both two exemplary fighters, and show a better attitude than most in the sport. Mosley takes a punch well and can throw a bomb, thats more than can be said about most of Pacquiaos recent opposition. I still see Mosley getting TKO'd by Pacquiao i should add, i just don't see Marquez making it past the second or third round.

 

There is a limited amount of credit can be given for stopping a fighter who is a shadow of his former self, as I'm sure you would agree. I will give Pacquiao credit for being the first man to stop Shane, but it won't approach the amount of credit he'd have got for stopping a prime fighter with a chin like Shane's.

 

I agree with you Addie. Marquez is great at 135, but it doesn't mean he's great >140. Obviously losing to Mayweather at WW doesn't mean anything, but it was clear in that fight that he wasn't the fighter he was in the lower weights. As a fan I'd still be interested in a Pac-Marquez fight, but if I was Marquez or his manager I'd stay well clear of it

Merry Christmas chaps

 

the irony of this post can only be grasped by someone who's watched mora-mosley.

The same is true for Shane Mosley. The only two guys near Pacquiao who are a competitive bout are Floyd Mayweather and Sergio Martinez. Everyone else will get beat down.

 

Absolutely yeah. At this point, it would be a so-so achievement beating Mosley, a little extra credit if he stops him, but obviously nothing extraordinary like it would have been in his prime.

It's a shame that he's now run out of opponents. He really does at this point need Mayweather if he's going to continue boxing as much as Mayweather needs him. Berto may have provided a little more interest, but again I'd expect nothing less these days from Pacquiao than a beat-down and a stoppage.

It's unfortunate that the likes of HBO don't have the balls to step-up and tell Arum to **** off with any other proposed opponent for Pacquiao other than Mayweather, and vice versa, though of course that'll never happen. Disappointing.

 

I agree. But If I were to choose between the 2 granpas, I would love to see JMM getting ktfod.. again!

 

i agree, but Marquez was still the most desired opponent, so Arum **** on the world again