How to beat: Wilfredo Gomez

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I really like this strategy now, actually. I think one of the ways to beat Gomez would be to hold the strength advantage and use it, I think Lupe Pintor did manage this for spells in the fight, and Sanchez did also. Now Fenech can definitely use his strength on Gomez.

    Thing is though, I really don't like anyone trying to take the fight to Gomez, like Fenech would, in such a direct way. It spells recipe for disaster IMO. Especially as Fenech's defence was leaky, but he did have a superb chin.

    I feel that Fenech would give him a hell of a fight but be worn down and taken out late.

    I don't rate Naseem Hamed highly at all. I really don't see him having much success if any at all really. I think he would be KO'd.

    I ain't seen Pacquiao at SBW, admittedly. But interesting pick and case for it.

    Thing with Morales though, his defence is very, very leaky. I just don't see how Morales can stay in there with Gomez, he might stun Gomez but Gomez IMO will struggle to miss Morales and really put a battering on him.

    Good pick.

    I can see a counter-punching Jofre sort of style working. I think Gomez is quicker and this could allow him to get off first. I do think if Gomez gets carried away Jofre could take him out with counter-punches. Actually I'd favour Jofre over Gomez.

    Not seen Chandler, but have some bouts of his to watch.

    Not too sure on this, just because of Olivares' chin. I think Gomez at some point would crack it. But both guys could be hurt so it would be a case of 'who lands first IMO'. The young Olivares of the Rose and Rudkin bouts IMO has the best chance. That quick aggression, with bone-crunching combinations from the first round, would give Gomez a very tough time and probably take him out early IMO, any other version of Olivares I think would lose.

    I agree with this.

    We could question Harada's chin though. And if anyone can crack it Gomez can IMO. But I'd favour Harada also.

    Not seen much of Tapia. Do you not think he would struggle with Gomez's strength?
     
  2. red cobra

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    Gomez had a bit of the sadist in him. That's what made him so especially deadly. He would sometimes prolong the torture of an opponent and string out the beating for a while. He was supremely confident back during his 122 lb title days.
     
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    Gomez would have found Olivares' chin eventually. What he did to Zarate was soooo impressive, and I suspect that would have been Olivares' fate as well. i honestly don't think any bantam of history would have survived the Bazooka except again, possibly Jofre.
     
  4. teeto

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    I've always thought that Gomez could get quite predictable in there, jab-cross-left hook to the body, over and over, but he's just so good it would be hard to take advantage of even if you were alerted to it. That's why for me back foot boxing and countering in that way is not a desirable game plan, you need to try and dominate the centre of the ring and control the fight, the way Snachez ultimately did. At 122 i wouldn't favour anyone but Morales would certainly try his best and for me give a better account of himself than anybody else
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I agree Sanchez did 'control the fight', but he played off the ropes almost exclusively and was in a back foot countering mode IMO. Gomez could get a bit predictable but it was mainly cause he could, he was overwhelming most guys, he showed when he needed he could change it up.

    I think the key is to get his respect and impose yourself, so you need to land hard early and keep getting hard shots in. You can do that from the back foot IMO, as Gomez will stand and trade with you.
     
  6. El Bujia

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    :?

    Maybe post-Sanchez, or even post-Zarate to an extent, but the young Gomez was one of the most varied punchers and movers I've ever seen.
     
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    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Out of interest, what is your favourite Gomez performance? I have a feeling you agree with me and think Davila is his best filmed performance.
     
  8. El Bujia

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    It's definitely up there. My favorite is probably his thorough dismantling of Juan Antonio Lopez in their first fight, though. Gomez at his apex.
     
  9. teeto

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    I'd just been watching the Pintor fight recently, he was doing it a lot in that fight, i haven't watched young Pintor in a while so i'll take your word on it, but he was only 26 in the fight i'm referring to.
     
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    I just think that at 122, it's suicide going to the ropes against Gomez, he's probably going to ko you if you do that.
     
  11. El Bujia

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    Gomez or Pintor?

    Gomez was slowly declining technically from about the Zarate fight on, in my opinion. Looking less to pick his opponents apart with technical precision in favor of overwhelming them. That's not to say he'd turned into a McClellan-type or anything, but the decline was noticeable, I feel. The combination of a more forward, power-boxing style and moving up in weight against such a tough cookie like Sanchez was his undoing.

    His peak was from about '76-'78, in my opinion, or 19-22 years old. An early bloomer, certainly. Tyson-esque, really, in the arc of his career (a few things not considered, obviously).
     
  12. teeto

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    Gomez. Yeah maybe true, good post. I'd really have to sit down and have a good look and think before i could agree or disagree.
     
  13. El Bujia

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    His decline makes sense, too, given the nature of his defeat over such a dangerous and highly touted killer as Zarate. His self-image must've been through the roof, and he was always a cocky *******. It was really only a matter of time before the screws started to loosen in the rails.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yeh that is a good one. The rematch is horrible though.

    I just think in the Davila fight he still has this boxing ability and is a boxer-puncher, once he was champion he tended to be a puncher-boxer.

    I don't. Sanchez showed it could be done IMO.
     
  15. El Bujia

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    Past a certain point, I agree. Pre-Zarate, I disagree. The first Lopez fight was the quintessence of angling, lateral movement, integration of offense and defense with the upper-body, etc. Just a pitch-perfect performance. One of my all time favourites, actually.

    At 122?