Is Arum's decision on Mosley, actually hurting Pac.?

I never thought of this before...

Would be great while it lasts, Maidana doesn't back down to anybody, and he's a ****ing dangerous puncher.

 

Yeah, i'm pretty consistent with my application of not being bothered about the method of victory though when it comes to rating fights achievements wise, the fight might be good, it should be emtertaining because it's Pacquiao, so we know we're getting that, but it's a stupid fight and Pacquiao has pissed me off with it, him and Mayweather can both eat my **** for all i care, them not fighting each other is a joke man.

 

What makes you say Margarito was a live dog? It was around 2 years since his last good win, the Cotto win, which some now see as controversal

Mosley wasn't gassed after 2 rounds, he has never done well against slick skilled defensive fighters because he doesn't have a jab (not a good 1), defense (not a good 1), straight right (he throws an overhand not a straight), or anything thats particularly straight or sneaky so for the most part he can just not land any punchers on a skileld defensive fighter. Not only that he never crowds/pressures, especially this version, he's just someone who can be picked off by a slick boxer

I don't think Mosley wins, but stylistically I give him a chance and think he'll at least trouble Pac, and I picked Pacquaio to white wash 4 of his last 6. Although the question mark is 'how much Mosley has left', maybe he has 1 big fight left in him.....

 

Because he kept pressuring Pacquiao throughout the fight, threw a lot of leather and certainly hurt Pacquiao a couple of times, more than Cotto or Hatton ever did. I'm just looking at how he fought the fight the night of... Which is all you can ever really do when thinking about a fighter's condition.

Mosley did run out of steam, he stopped throwing significant leather early on and didn't or simply couldn't provide the pressure you need to beat PBF.I think a long time ago he would have had much more success. He waited more than a year after Margarito to fight PBF, and the bigger gaps between fights a boxer has at that age the worse he will get progressively. I agree that Mosley doesn't do well against the defensively adept... But he should have at least been more competitive.

I don't think this fight will be worth a damn. Mosley can land some right hands early on, and he could make it tough if he takes his hooks to pacquiao's body. but i expect him to take a lot more punches for every one he throws and it'll only get worse past round 4 or 5

 

Arum deserves this year's Ebenezer Scrooge award for ripping off the boxing public. In making Pacquiao-Mosley, he has done what is best for Bob. He has revealed himself as a wrenching, scraping, squeezing, covetous old sinner, in the apt words of Dickens. I'd like to borrow the chains and money boxes off of Marley's Ghost, wrap them around his neck and throw him into a dungeon to think about how he hurt this great sport.

Then again, all Roach had to do was decline this option.

It was a cynical, transparant, and selfish little move on Arum's part but I am disappointed in Roach for going with it.

Pacquiao has only a couple of years left to compete at the highest level. And what's he doing? Fighting safe options. His camp is not looking at legacy as much as a purist would expect them to -and that is really too bad. In choosing Mosley, he chose his third Mayweather left-over. De La Hoya, Hatton, and now Mosley. Add to that Cotto (a Margarito victim) and Margarito (a Mosley victim) and his recent wins lose their luster.

There's a pattern here that has been clear for some time. Roach is going for the easy money. And he's admitted it.

What's worse is that these decisions will make Mayweather look better than he should. Manny's legacy fights are just a parade of safe fighters coming off of losses. Prediction: Floyd's fights against De La Hoya, Hatton, and Mosley will look better than Manny's when all is said and done.

This is a lose-lose option for Manny. It's the dumbest choice of the lot. If Manny beats Shane -no matter how impressively, it's a "whoop-de-doo" moment. Really, who cares? I won't. However, if Shane beats Manny, Manny's greatness will have to be re-examined.

Stupid move.

 

I hear you Stoney. Roach has been making these ****ed up decisions for a while, he's pretty open about matching Manny against fighters whose styles he sees as easy for Manny, even if they are bigger most of the time, Manny is better and these guys are always soldiers to the slaughter because of their limited style. The whole Mayweather and Pacquiao thing used to **** me off so much, because i just wanted the fight, as a fan, but now they've just bored me to death, **** them both, there's plenty of other talent and ongoings other than them, they're both ****s if they can't give us, the faithful, this fight.

 

I actually think out of all these sham fights the Mosley fight will be the most entertaining since his fight with Cotto. Clottey and Margarito were sitting ducks. Mosley still has a bit of speed and heart something that will make the fight more competitive and more entertaining. It wont be a one way beating bet on that.
What else does Arum do? Mayweather doesnt want the fight, so give him experience against guys he can control and collect all the dough. I dont see Andre Berto as being a better fight at this point, hes too unproven. Who else is there?

 

Surprised by the over reaction to this fight. Just because Mosely lost to Mayweather, it would actually hurt Pacman's legacy to fight him? :rofl

Many posters were crying for Pacman to face Shane just last Spring, many actually favoring Sugar despite the fact he only looked good against the taylor made Marg. But one loss to a guy who makes everyone look bad and its suddenly a cruel injustice that this fight is taking place.

Mosely is currently #5 Welter according to the Ring. Above him #2 Mayweather (unavailable), #3 Berto (not ready), #4 Cotto (already destroyed him). Its the best realistic fight at the moment. This will at least bring the Cotto and Marg wins full circle, with Mayweather being the only missing piece to the puzzle.

 

Humbug. Manny-Mosley does nothing to enhance Manny's legacy. I think it hurts it because there are others out there who would face him. The problem seems to be that they are live threats. It isn't the money. Manny can fight Bozo the Clown and he's gonna make millions.

Roach plainly stated that he did want to face Mosley last year. Now he will. What's the difference? Mosley got spanked by Floyd and then fought a draw with Mora. Suddenly, Roach will fight him. You don't see a pattern here...?

Manny should face Marquez. It's as easy as that. The fact that he will instead fight Mosely on Cinco de Mayo is just insulting. Purists want to see him fight a true threat. I'd love to see what he does against an undefeated young lion -the winner of Bradley-Alexander at 140 or Berto. These guys are up and coming and Manny would prove something against any of them them.

Arum wants this fight because of his grudge against Golden Boy. Shane has, according to Ron Borges, severed his connection to them and so now he gets something he should not. It's nonsense.

 

-Nah, a win over a still ranked future Hall of Famer isn't going to hurt anything. Only slightly less meaningful than Mayweather's win over Sugar Shane. This is a step up from Marg and Clottey in my eyes.

-I would love to see him against Berto, Bradley, or Alexander. But I don't think that is a realistic possibliity at the moment. Let these young lions do something to seperate themselves from the pack. Not sure what good a win over Marquez at the welter limit would do...

-Seriously, people acting like Mayweather is Max Bear or something. Every fighter he touches is damaged goods. Thread starter suggested Hatton was past his best when Pac fought him? Really, he looked as good as ever against Malignaggi.

 

Well Hatton probably was damaged goods, both Lazcano and Malignaggi buzzed him and if the ref didnt demand he tied his shoes when Lazcano hurt him, he may have been ko'd. I think it can be blamed on the alcoholism, reduced dedication and change of style as much as the Mayweather fight. But Pac may have always done that to Ricky anyway

BTW fighters do tend to go down hill after facing Mayweather, whether its the fight itself or Mayweather catching them at the right time. But because of his lack of 1 punch power he tends to give opponents sustained beatings

 

So? Collazo had Hatton on rubber legs in the 12th and busted him up throughout the fight, and actually had a good case for winning the decision. I won't be so brash as to claim Hatton was close to being KOed but he was badly hurt. Perhaps Hatton was damaged goods prior to Mayweather? :rofl

Nah, that would **** up the agenda, eh?

I give Mayweather and Pacman fairly equal credit for beating Hatton; he was at the top of his limited but effective game going into both fights. Not sure why that's so hard for some people...oh.

 

That whole fight was weird. I'm not trying to go Il Duce on this thread, but a few things weren't sitting right with me. Shane whispering into Margarito's ears, reftelling Shane to take a deep breath and relax, etc. Probably nothing, though.

 

Getting buzzed to a big WW champion is a tad different to being nearly out against a LW journeyman and the weakest P4P puncher in boxing. Check out the hometown reffing 5:10 onwards

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The Mayweather style was pretty disasterous for him, he couldn't pull him off, made him much more straight up and actually made him easier to hit because he couldnt pull it off.

Hatton's alcoholism has been well documented for some time if you followed him, but no just accuse me of bias instead