Saying the Jones who fought Montell Griffin beats Robinson is like saying Robinson beats the Roy Jones who fought at 154. 160 is the only sensible weight where the two could have ever potentially met. Robinson has a big chance due to his greater experience and an almost indomitable will to win.
Yeah, that's how I see it A. I can see the good sense in picking Roy, but I just wouldn't do it. Jones would be about 25-0 with a good am career and a very protected first 15 or so fights, Robinson would be 120-1-2. I just couldn't pick against him here.
How I would love to see that fight, no matter how it panned out. Hard to bet against a mature Robinson against a pretty green Jones, but it would be a fascinating watch, that's for sure.
1. Again I don't think there is a standard, what about Whitaker? Technically amazing, but breaks plenty of rules at times, his footwork isn't technically as good as say Mayweather but it produces better movement 2. I do think everything can be judged technically, and in some aspects Jones is great, in others his ability lets him get away with breaking certain rules. But to say 'Jones had no technique' really makes me scratch my head
Everyone knows a great technician when they see one. Whitaker isn't one for exactly the reasons you state. I've never seen him listed in those threads. When he does get mentioned, someone points out that he crossed his feet etc etc. Who said "Jones had no technique"???
PP i wasn't getting at Roy, i know what he does better, i rate him at the top level of effectiveness, i was just stating a fact that stands.
Thats in Robinson's favour, in Jones favour is he'd likely weigh around 168 on the night as opposed to Robinson being 155lbs dripping wet. He'd be far and away the biggest puncher Robinson fought, far and away the best he fought (yes I know who Galivan is) and far and away the quickest he fought. Plus stylistically Robinson had the most problems with the faster slicker opponents - Galivan/Bell at his optimum weight class. Robinson in turn is the best quickest opponent Jones had faced but in terms of speed and defense Jones can still run rings around him Anyway its all opinion
i know plenty about lamotta, jones and lamotta do not even have close to the same style in the ring. it's fine if you think robinson beats jones but your argument here is not very good.
my argument is pretty good ,the point is that you did not understand absolutely nothing.. i never said that robinson would beat jones BASING ON lamotta. simply it was other debate. DEBATE 1:said that lamotta was stronger and bigger than jones and it is a fact. DEBATE 2: i said(and the 95% of the experts) that robinson would beat jones BASING ON robinson was better in everything. faster legs, much better chin, he had much more stamina,he had by far more heart, he was tested in wars, jones not, he got better combinations,he had better move of head(jones was a clown on the ring ,simple), the hitting power and the hands speed were close at middle. in few words, robinson was the superior fighter. :deal
true, 160 is where their fantasy matchup would have to take place. styles makes fights and jones and turpin are completely different fighters but if srr had so much trouble with a plodder like turpin, how is he going to deal with someone as dynamic as jones. srr will go down as the greater fighter but h2h i like jones by dec. btw, great a, i imagine that's you on youtube posting all the old great fights. thanks so much. great stuff!
you already have other posters questioning your argument. i don't think you've seen much of a prime jones.
JONES WAS TALLER, END OF THE HISTORY. LIKE I SAID, LAMOTTA WAS MUCH HEAVIER AT AMATEUR(190pounds) BUT HE WAS NOT SO TALL AND HIS STAMINA WAS NOT GREAT to be a LHW. LAMOTTA WAS 5´8 AND HE WEIGHED 168,167,170,165,160... !!at mw!!! IN HIS 20s. lamotta had serious problems to weigh 158-160 pounds.he was a very strong guy.(he weighed 158-160 in his best fights against robinson, because sugar was too fast and lamotta would fight better with less weight). well roy jones at mw, the heaviest jones at mw weighed 163 pounds and he was 5´11. lamotta was stronger and it is not even close.