Calzaghe Only Faced Bums In His WBO Title Reign? THE PROPER BREAKDOWN.

Nah. I think the reality is somewhere in the middle. I think Calzaghe was talented enough to compete at the top level, and to move up weights to do it, but that he and Warren didn't want to risk having the train knocked off the tracks.

I never thought that bums was the proper word for his opponents or particularly for JC himself, but I also don't think that his resume warrants the lofty status some of his fans would like to think. His numbers 46-0, 20+ defenses, etc. are all a direct result of his level of opposition.

 

This is one of the most incisive irrefutable pieces layed down in ESB history, and a regular bump time and time again is required to bring some Calzaghe over raters back to earth.

Great timing in the bump aswell, with recent events of Hopkins vs Pascal, and Froch vs Abraham alot of envy amongst the Calzaghe fan boy squad leading them to create threads like Calzaghe ranks ahead of Hopkins, or Calzaghe would beat James Toney.

DINAMITA did a good job and his piece is always good to read after going through Calzaghe is the GOAT thread made by a desperate fan boy. :good

 

Thing is, most of the guys stay away from this thread. It really does not leave much room for debate. So it is sort of counter productive.

 

See this. All he's down is post up record's and who they fought before they got a shot at Calzaghe. It's all numbers and all stuff pulled straight from Boxrec. I don't see one single bit of actual insight.

 

Which is precisely why I like it. While I wouldn't call it objective, it is the cold hard truth.

 

At the end of the day, if you're bitter enough, and sad enough, you can pull apart Calzaghe's record for sure.

You could also do it for approximately 99% of other fighters as well.

 

Pudwill was a two week replacement after Thomas Tate pulled out!

 

Ssssshhhhhh......

You can't let facts get in the way of a good ol' Calzaghe bashing.

You need to base you're opinion on Calzaghe off of Boxrec and nothing else.

 

What the OP failed to point out though was that Woodhall's loss to Beyer was a typical German job!

 

:yep

 

I must be one of the few calzaghe fans on the GF that has watched him throughout his career.

the guy gets a lot of unwarranted hatred on this board, those who do so have never laced up a pair of gloves either and had to fight fights with a broken hand!

 

I also watched him throughout his career and I totally agree with you.

The vast majority on here have I no idea of the fact that until his crippling hand problems that nearly ended his career for good, he was a serious puncher. You don't put Chris Eubank flat on his back without having a bit of pop in you're punches.

 

If you followed boxing through his career you'd know Eubank, Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler were a who's who of the super middleweight division at the time he fought them. Bika and Manfredo were decent fighters. And I didn't think Starie and Ricky Thornberry were bums when he fought them. The only notable guy he really missed fighting at 168 was Ottke, and that's because that ***** wouldn't fight out of Germany. Collins retired rather than have to face him. And the Glen Johnson fight he unfortunately had to pull out numerous times due to injury and personal problems.

 

Exactly.

 

Might be able to. But not all fighters are being touted as ATG's. The ones that are need to be looked at closer than those that aren't. If they pass muster by the masses, then they deserve the acclaim.

You can look at Hopkins' resume and see he feasted on smaller guys, but they were world class guys, capable of beating top guys at their new weights. Jones had his share of lesser comp too. But he did dynamic things against top fighters as well moved up in weight classes. They took risks.

Calzaghe was a very talented fighter who, I think, is being touted beyond his accomplishments by some. During his prime he beat a lot of guys his talents say he shouldn't have even been fighting. When he did step it up, he had a couple of good wins(Lacy, Kessler) and then beat Hopkins and Jones, both well past their respective primes. Jones was downright shot.


I don't call him a bum, nor do I overlook his strengths and talents. He deserves alot of credit for his accomplishments. But they do not to be viewed in context. Instead of recognizing Calzaghe as a good champ and leaving it at that, some tout him as a bonafide ATG. Except, the the bottle doesn't hold the beer.