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Arum to Marquez: Beat Berto and you´ll get Pac

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Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

**** Berto. He needs to buls his resume and achievement on his own like most others have. He's been hand fed stiff after stiff and his biggest test to date was freakin Collazo.

Pac vs. Berto is STILL a future option, so lets not go overboard yet. Bet in the meantime, Berto needs to beat someone with a pulse.
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I AGREE....but why make marquez go thru that battle when him and manny have a history

freddy-wak, Dec 28, 2010

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Nah, he's shamelessly trying to use marquez to bolster Berto's shitty resume and get him some name recognition.... Sad.
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What kind of delusional ****** are you?

What Arum clearly wants to do is bring Marquez UP in weight, because there is no way in hell Pacman will move down THREE weight divisions to fight someone he already beat. Marquez NEEDS this fight, Pac doesn't.

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If any of the fighters under the TOP RANK label had the ability to think for themselves....they wouldv'e left TR a long time ago.

darryl1914, Dec 28, 2010

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Ive said it many times before...The best time for Pac-JMM III was immediatly after their 2nd fight, right now its pointless since we all know Pacman wont fight him below 147 and JMM is not effective at that weight. Berto would beat Juan at 147, but i can see why Arum would make this match up.

Berto beats JMM = No JMM fight
Berto beats JMM and looks bad doing it (which could be possible) = Berto gets the fight ASAP

If Berto were to beat JMM and look very good doing it, then Arum would have Pac stay as far away from Berto as possible and would just forget about JMM. Eliminating both opponents.

Classic Arum.

If i were Dinamita, id just stay at 135 and unify all the belts, which i am confident he can do. Or he could go up and try to win a title at 140, but have a couple of tune ups at that weight first.

Zopilote, Dec 28, 2010

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darryl1914 said: ↑

If any of the fighters under the TOP RANK label had the ability to think for themselves....they wouldv'e left TR a long time ago.
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smart guy why dont you get into managing boxers then?

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Is this a ***** move duck at the hightest level whatsoever by Arum.

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So basically you are just gonna follow me everywhere I go huh? Damn...I have another stalker. That's 3.

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So basically you are just gonna follow me everywhere I go huh? Damn...I have another stalker. That's 3.
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i posted in this thread before you daniqua, you followed me you baboon.

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i posted in this thread before you daniqua, you followed me you baboon.
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Zopilote, Dec 28, 2010

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I AGREE....but why make marquez go thru that battle when him and manny have a history
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My guess is to see if JMM vs. Pac is worth it at WW. Plus with Pac and SSM set to fight already, why not have JMM do something in the meantime.

I can see what Arum is saying about JMM, but personally, I don't care to see BErto vs. JMM. Berto should fight Cintron.

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darryl1914 said: ↑

If any of the fighters under the TOP RANK label had the ability to think for themselves....they wouldv'e left TR a long time ago.
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Yeah, jump ship from the promoter making fights for them...atsch

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I still can't believe he is fighting Mosley. Mosley will need a cane to get into the ring with Pac man on May 7th.

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Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

Yeah, jump ship from the promoter making fights for them...atsch
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So Arum is the only game in town?

darryl1914, Dec 28, 2010

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Beat Berto, fight Pacquiao, Arum tells Marquez

By ERICKSON BECO
December 28, 2010, 1:46pm

MANILA, Philippines Despite facing countless battles against top boxers of his weight class, Mexican brawler Juan Manuel Marquez still seems to be a distant item on the radar of Top Rank big boss Bob Arum.

This after Arums latest proposal for Marquez to fight undefeated World Boxing Council (WBC) welterweight king Andre Berto first and prove that he can handle the challenge of much bigger fighters before he can land his long-time dream of a third fight with pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao.

Put Marquez in with Berto, lets see what he does. If he beats Berto, well, obviously, he can fight a Pacquiao, Arum said, as quoted by Mark Vester on Boxing Scene. But I dont think he can fight at the higher weights.

The only time Marquez jumped to the higher weight classes where Pacquiao has been campaigning as of late was when he faced the undefeated Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in September 2009 a bout he lost via unanimous decision.

It doesnt say anything about his ability as a fighter. Hes a good fighter, nice fellow, Arum continued.

Berto, meanwhile, expressed readiness to face Marquez, who is arguably one of the toughest boxers the world has ever witnessed in the recent era.

Im willing to fight guys like Miguel Cotto, like Marquez, maybe one of the top guys coming from 140, Berto was quoted by boxingtalk.com as saying. Right now, Ill fight anybody. If Superman continues to bark and run off his mouth and HBO is willing to put up the money to make it happen, Ill be all for it, added Berto, who is coming off a first round technical knockout win over Freddy Hernandez on the undercard of Marquezs fight against Michael Katsidis last month.

Marquez and Berto were both consistently named as the next possible opponents for Pacquiao, who punctuated 2010 with a brutal beating of the much bigger and much heavier Antonio Margarito last November, thus earning for himself his eighth world title in as many divisions.

And, after a series of talking and dealing, Pacquiaos camp settled for a May 7, 2011 slugfest with the 39-year-old Shane Mosley, which, as has been reported lately, has been receiving negative comments from boxing experts and fans alike.

It (Pacquiao-Mosley) might be interesting, but this is not what the public wants to see, said trainer Jose Bonilla, who works with Carlos Quintana, in an interview cited by Jhonny Gonzalez. I do not believe that Mosley should have received the break to face Pacquiao. Perhaps a few years ago yes, because Mosley has a strong chin. But in his last few fights there were problems with his stamina.

Mosley is coming off a loss (by unanimous decision) to Mayweather last May, where he visibly ran out of steam midway into the bout after appearing to hurt the latter in the third round.

The only opponent who can beat Pacquiao right now is Mayweather, Bonilla concluded.

Evangelista Cotto, who used to train his nephew and one of Pacquiaos victims Miguel Cotto, also shares the same sentiment as Bonilla.

Pacquiao is in his prime and Mosley is already a boxer on the decline. It is not an attractive fight for boxing.

Pacquiao broke down the defenses put up against him by bigger and heavier opponents like Ricky Hatton, Cotto, Joshua Clottey, and Margarito, and overwhelmed each of them through sheer power and volume punching. Those same qualities might also be the key to Pacquiao putting down Mosley come fight night.

Pacquiao is going to win comfortably, he looks too strong. Look at how he dominates 154-pound fighters, Cotto said.

Link: http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/295201/prove-yourself-and-youll-have-pacquiao-arum-tells-marquez

Do you see Marquez beating Berto?
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i can see where old man arum is coming from; it would be a good measuring stick. but to answer your question- NO, marquez, clearly, is only partially effective at anything higher than 135 (and lets be honest, he's probably lacking close to 10% at 135 even). berto would hurt him i think, and i would not want to see that. ****, the mayweather fight was hard enough to watch....

klimting, Dec 28, 2010

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who cares if either gets the shot, fights like this should happen for the fans not a pacquiao sweepstakes
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Why should this fight happen for the fans? It's not that intriguing of a match up, for either fighter. Berto is too big for JMM. If JMM thought Floyd was nearly 160, and feels that made a big difference, then he will know for sure Berto will come in at that same weight. Berto just came in at nearly 160, against Hernandez. JMM is giving up too much weight against Berto.

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