Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

You sure you ain't Calzaghe's son? Cause everytime a Calzaghe thread comes up, your the first one in it.

 

Yes, with people who aren't total twats, unlilke yourself. Been on this board longer then you've probaby been watching boxing.

You're too full of yourself to understand what constitutes a fact. You're opinion or revisionist history are NOT fatcs...

Now go play house with Headbanger little boy. Maybe you can go hype more American boxers where you find fitting.

 

Once again you havent been able to debate. Thought I would bring up the earlier post that left you befuddled.
Which parts are opinions to this quote below and not facts?

I am happy to hype any fighter I like or who I feel deserve an honourable mention. Now what American fighters were you referring to. Tread carefully because all of the quotes are on this thread.

Im sure you will have another weak reply and not have a sensible answer for the above. Maybe you should go back on the lounge and announce that your single again, rather than follow me from thread to thread

 

Source?

Who gave the interview? Calzaghe or Jones?

Source?

 

Epic grammar fail. :roflatsch

 

Calzaghe should have left Great Britain much earlier than he did.

 

Bailey's a know-nothing piece of ****, why even argue with this guy?

 

calzaghe's a bum'....look hopkins fought roy jones in his 23 fight, he fought a in his prime roy jones ...at 23 fights he was facing legends'....calzaghe's first legend came in his 45th fight when he faced hopkins then he faced jones thats only 2 legends atg or hof'ers....his calzaghe first test came in 41st fight when he took on lacy which he destroyed and so did everybody else after **** he just lost to some bum the other day'....so you can scratch lacy....Now hopkins he's got delahoya,jones,trinidad,tarver,taylor(twice),wright,calzaghe(lol),pavlik,glen johnson, those are well known guys now the average journey men he faced that still were tough opponents antwon echols(twice),Syd Vanderpool,howard eastman,robert allen,segundo mercado,carl daniels,william joppy,enrique ornelas were all good fighters just not elite....hopkins got that sucker beat everywhere

 

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I dont know who people think calzaghe should have fought?? Byron mitchell was probably the most successful american SMW of that era and that says a lot LOL, hopkins priced himself out by demanding almost double the cash that was agreed, ottke blatently ducked him and glen johnson has practically lost more fights at SMW than he won, johnson lost to sheika when the winner was due to fight calzaghe, then next fight sheika lost to calzaghe. The problem with calzaghe was that he wanted his big fights at home and was not too keen on traveling until late in his career, but lots of fighters are like that. Calzaghe also retired too early, he should have fought one or two more times at LHW, dawson or maybe a hopkins rematch, even though the first fight was rubbish. but i dont see what else you can level at him, whats true anyways

 

I would like to see Calzaghe vs Michalczewski in LHW in 1999 foir example

 

Roy and Hopkins were both young up and comers then. What happened to their much called for rematch when both sat atop the p4p lists? That's right, Hopkins didn't want it even though he needed to avenge his loss for his legacy. He also reneged on a deal to fight Calzaghe in 02, which was to be held in the US. Joe can't be faulted for Hopkins backing out of their fight. He only fought Joe after he was done beating up on all those blown up name fighters, with his legacy sealed and nothing to lose.

 

What this thread proves is that Joe Calzaghe has the worst fans on ESB, bar none. All of his fans are teenage trolls that don't know anything about boxing.

 

Joe should have gone to the states a lot earlier.He fought some decent fighters and at the end of his career some very good ones.He did struggle with injuries for a while which might have cost him a few fights.
Had he gone over to America and fought there earlier on I think he would have been able to get in with the bigger named opponents a lot sooner than he did.

 

1st of all lets dispell the myth about the supposed greatness of hopkins resume, take away the smoke and the mirrors and this is what your left with from hopkins 6 best wins, with 4 of them being from when he made his opponent fight way above what their best weight was.





trinidad
prime weight = welterweight (147)
fought hopkins at middleweight (159) :deal
trinidads record at middleweight or above from hopkins onwards = 2 wins / 3 defeats

winky wright
prime weight - light middleweight (154)
fought hopkins at - 170 lbs :deal
in 57 fights, the hopkins fight was the only fight that wright had weighed over 160 lbs (a full 10lbs difference)

de la hoya
prime weight - welterweight (140lbs)
fought hopkins at - middleweight (160lbs) :deal
de la hoya only fought twice in his career at middleweight out of 45 fights -1 win / 1 loss - the win was a very debatable decision over eurobum felix sturm

pavlik
prime weight - middleweight (160 lbs)
fought hopkins at - 170 lbs :deal
in 34 fights pavlik had only fought 2 minnions at the beginning of his career at 169. all pavliks fights since hopkins have been at the 160 limit.

tarver
prime weight 175
great 2 weight jump from hopkins and his best win despite tarver being a b-level fighter and going 3 wins / 3 losses from hopkins onwards.

johnson
prime weight -super mid / light heavy (162 to 175)
fought hopkins at - middleweight (160)
johnsons record at 160 + from hopkins onwards - 19 wins / 14 defeats / 2 draws
the defeats have come against people of the level of ottke, woods, shieka, gonzales, harmon, branco, vanderpool, Kiwanuka, sosa





next you throw in the fact that calzaghe beat hopkins sandwiched inbetween hopkins supposedly best performances of tarver, wright, pavlik, pascal.

take into account that for the hopkins fight, calzaghe
- fought at light heavy for the 1st time
- fought in hopkins back yard
- had hopkins brother joe cortez referee the fight and do everything in his power to try and even up the fight

despite all this, joe calzaghe with extreme brittle hands defeated hopkins.



now we here you hopkins fans scream "that wasn't hopkins prime", well it was certainly the point of hopkins career where he was getting his best results. was hopkins prime when he was beating robert allan 3 times and beating hakkar and calling every welterweight on the planet to fight him?



so we then answer the question of why the 2 hopkins and calzaghe didn't fight each other whilst in their supposed primes in 2002

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now it wouldn't be fair for me not to give hopkins some credit because he is a very clever man, extremely astute tactically and defensively, he knows how to disrupt an opponents rhythm and he knows to neutralise an opponents strengths. he's also very good at calling out fighters he knows he can expose tactically and calling out fighters he will have big weight and strength advantages over.


the bottom line in all this for me though, is that bernard hopkins was not good enough to win 7 of his fights (5 defeats, 2 draws). there is a clear blueprint there of how to beat hopkins and this is probably the reason why hopkins didn't want to fight dawson but was desperate to fight pascal.

on the other hand, there is no blueprint to beat calzaghe, sure fighters can cause calzaghe problems but there is a versatility in him, a common trate in great fighters where he can adapt to the man he is fighting and find a way to win, the charachter to stare adversity in the face and walk through it by adapting his gameplan to that of his opponent.

for hopkins there will always be a blueprint of how to beat him but for calzaghe there never will be. on top of that there will always be that head to head victory over a version of hopkins that is far better than any hopkins fan on here will be prepared to admit, as well as the 7 fights hopkins wasn't good enough to win.