Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

Where are Team Elite????!

Running for the hills in the face of a direct challenge of boxing knowledge???????!

 

Not reading all these pages but Calzaghe could have fought slightly better opposition. But not much. Who are the great SMW's he avoided? Frank Warren was his promoter, JC had a lot of hand problems & wasn't the type to take the hardest fight of his life 4 **** money. Those are the main reasons. Calzaghe's resume isn't great but gets shitted on way too much coz this is ESB. People try 2 belittle Pac's resume FFS. Plus a lot of ESB posters place too much emphasis on resume as demonstrated by that recently bumped "Sergio Martinez Resume" thread.

 

check my previous posts

what does a man losing in debate do, thats right, he changes the subject


let me save you the time about putting down your number 1 thread, here it is for everyone to see, it was your latest top 10 p4p list in which you truely emphasised your knowledge of the game











My Pound-For-Pound Top Ten (1st August 2010)
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He is the man in possession, the king on the throne. As the second-placed fighter is in the same division as the kingpin, the only way he can take this crown is in the ring, and to do that Floyd will have to actually man up, so Pac is safe at number 1 for the foreseeable future. Manny has barely lost a round over the last two years, and is now dominating and decimating men far naturally larger than himself - the definition of a pound-for-pound legend.


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The only choice for number 2, Floyd joins Pacquiao in a league of two far above the best of the rest. Mayweather beat the far smaller Marquez with ease in a routine (and some would argue pointless and unfair) tune-up, but in his next fight he produced the goods big-time vs Mosley. Shook to his boots twice early on, Floyd showed his pound-for-pound star quality by winning every round thereafter. The pressure is now on for him to step up and try to reclaim his former position as number 1. The world continues to wait.

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I realize this may be an unexpected and unpopular choice, but I think Dawson's accomplishments are underrated on the whole. To have beaten Tomasz Adamek as well as Glen Johnson twice, whilst establishing himself as the clear number 1 in the light-heavyweight division, is no mean feat for a young fighter - and anyone doubting the value of the Johnson wins need only see how Johnson turned away top 10 ranked Yusaf Mack in his most recent fight. Dawson has been at the top of his division for a few years now, has beaten the best of the generation before him, and is now taking on the toughest opponent available in Jean Pascal.

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As many on ESB know, I am no fan of Wladimir, not by a long shot. However, even though I find him the most boring boxer of all-time, this does not blind me to his merits. I find it very strange that The Ring continues to ignore someone as dominant as he is. Wladimir is on a long unbeaten streak of dominant victories, and although the standard of opposition has not been great, it is not possible to fight consistently strong comp in a division as weak as heavyweight (especially when a good fighter like Povetkin inexplicably and in my opinion unforgivably shirks out of mandatory challenger status). I do not like Wlad as a boxer, and I do not like the heavyweight division, but a champion this dominant cannot be overlooked when it comes to pound-for-pound standings.

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Martinez is a strange one in terms of pound-for-pound recognition. It wasn't long ago that he was fighting dire competition in small hall fights, and was a million miles away from mixing in this sort of company, but (depending on your personal perspective on the outcomes of some of his recent fights) his last three performances were pretty special. For me he clearly deserved a win vs Cintron, and I scored the Martinez-Williams fight to Maravila. A win over Williams is significant, as the Punisher is himself a legitimate pound-for-pound contender. The major scalp on his record is Kelly Pavlik though, what a win. Martinez, a natural lightmiddle weighing 167lbs on the night, vs Pavlik, middleweight KO specialist who was 178 in the ring, and Martinez turned in a supreme display to thoroughly deserve the verdict - and in my opinion to thoroughly deserve the #5 spot.

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This is another choice which I'm sure many people will disagree with, but pound-for-pound talents are extremely rare in this era, there really aren't many strong candidates, and I think the Super Six leader and favourite deserves some recognition at this point. Although I personally prefer Andre Dirrell as a fighter, Ward is the one who is looking more complete and confident at this stage. To win every minute of every round in a high stakes fight vs Green was superb, and Ward almost shut out Edison Miranda as well. Of course, his greatest win was Kessler, making a mockery of his own inexperience to completely dominate a proven world-class supermiddleweight who went on to take Froch's zero in his next fight. Right now, Ward is looking every bit the next Bernard Hopkins, a long-standing star in the making and a fighter of extreme quality.

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The Mayweather fight did not affect JMM's pound-for-pound standing one iota in my eyes. Marquez was only up at that weight for the payday, and the size differences rendered it a mismatch. However, I think both Diaz fights have shown that Marquez is patently not the fighter he once was. In 2008, JMM showed in the Pacquiao rematch that he was one of the top two active fighters in the world, but since moving above 130lbs I don't think he looks the same. Marquez's frame and body type clearly don't allow him to carry additional weight well - as proven by his bloated, overweight appearance in the Mayweather clash. In the first Diaz fight, Marquez really struggled with the Baby Bull's pace, aggression and strength early on before his own power, skill and accuracy won out. In the rematch, Marquez was again the better man, but it wasn't a dominant or spectacular or even particularly impressive performance - and a pound-for-pound top 3 or 4 guy would annihilate a Juan Diaz-calibre fighter IMO.

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Many people will feel Williams should be above Ward, as Williams has been around longer and has a higher number of good wins on his ledger, but for me Williams has slid a little in the pound-for-pound stakes because of the nature of his recent fights. The Cintron fight had no resolution so no credit can be given to either man for the outcome, and I felt Martinez beat Williams. Winky Wright is well past his best and was coming off a very long lay-off, and Verno Phillips is even older than Winky! I do rate the win over Phillips, but if you are looking for the last time Williams was a convincing winner over a prime top 10 ranked opponent you'd have to go back to the Quintana rematch in '08. I think Williams has the potential to climb back up the rankings, but in all fairness he is in dire need of a big win, and soon.

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I think Donaire is a great fighter, but I do think The Ring have given him an unjustifiably high placing in their top 10. Yes, he pulled off a sensational knockout of Vic Darchinyan... but that was three years ago now. Since then he has beaten a sequence of good, solid comp, but there's no real solid gold wins there. Donaire will occupy a higher placing in these rankings - but he should do so after he has unified titles or beaten another top name, not in anticipation of this.

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I'm not a great believer in Calderon, but the dearth of valid contenders for the pound-for-pound top 10 sees him make the cut on the basis of his unbeaten record and longevity. I haven't been all that impressed with his last few performances on the whole, I think he is on the decline, and I don't think his resume is great, irrespective of the quality of the divisions he has fought in. However, in this era you can't knock a guy who has remained unbeaten as long as he has, he has shown himself to be a skilled boxer over the years.

 

Where are your top 3 threads produced by you in all of your time here???

I'm calling you on this right now.

Post them. MAN UP, TROLL. :smoke

 

Arsebanger has gone AWOL, someone help him!! :smoke:smoke:smoke

 

well i've just had a wonderfull trip down memory lane looking at some of my beautiful, thought provoking threads and i have come up with this one as my all time favourite


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207609

 

One measly troll thread from one measly troll poster.

You have been exposed, and utterly utterly 'Pwned'. As ****ing usual.

Have a nice day, you little troll gimp.

:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

oh are you running off again popkins

hope you arn't gone for a month :rofl

why not stay here and discuss calzaghe with some more of your troll comments :happy

 

Just look at The Ring magazines 1999 SMW ratings

Title Vacant
1.Sven Ottke
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Byron Mitchell
4.Markus Beyer
5.Charles Brewer
6.Thomas Tate
7.Frankie Liles
8.Richie Woodhall
9.Robin Reid
10.Glenn Catley


Now read below

Calzaghe was #2.
#1 Ottke refused to fight Calzaghe
#3 Mitchell, Calzaghe beat.
#4 Beyer refused to fight Calzaghe
#5 Brewer, Calzaghe beat
#6 Tate, pulled out at short notice against Calzaghe and retired
#7 Liles, Calzaghe beat Mitchell who beat Liles
#8 Woodhall, Calzaghe beat
#9 Reid, Calzaghe beat
#10 Catley, Calzaghe beat Woodhall who beat Catley

People try and make out that Calzaghe avoided challenges

Discuss

 

Popkins is a limited troll, that folds under pressure everytime the going gets tough. :dead
Popkins has been thoroughly mauled and shown to be a weak personality. He is proven phoney that cant debate boxing with the greats.

Top work again from TEAM ELITE in exposing another weak willed ESB sewer rat :happy

 

don't expect to see him in these parts again, he will be in a corner, crying, sat cuddling a teddybear somewhere :crybaby:crybaby:crybaby:crybaby:crybaby

just hope that he's not gone for longer than a month, esb is on suicide watch tonight

 

:deal

 

Tthats the whole point. SMW was a weak division with few or no marquee names. Anyone worthwhile was either fighting at mw or lhw. If a guy wanted the big fights, that's where he went.

Why would anyone who had a choice want to fight an obscure fighter on his own turf in an obscure division for the wbo belt of all things?

In fairness to JC it was good for boxing that he followed the path he did. He helped bring the smw division some prestige and recognition.

 

I dont think it's relevant to say ''Calzaghe beat Mitchell who beat Liles'' and ''Calzaghe beat Woodhall who beat Catley''. That's like saying Danny Green would beat James Toney because he beat Jones. You cant talk up a fighters resume by saying ''well the guy he beat, beat this guy so it doesnt matter.''

 

Of course it is relevent. It shows how dominant Calzaghe was. There was no loose ends, in effect most wins lead back to Calzaghe.
These ratings just prove how he wasnt ducking challenges