YOU vs James Toney in a submission grappling match

Roy Jones is a garbage athlete.

What a ****in idiot.

 

3 rounds?

You're givin this guy too much credit.

He's been rollin around with guys on the mat, not fightin.

If he boxed, he would actually have to get hit. He quits in the first 20 seconds.

 

who said that?? certainly wasnt me

 

and unlike you ****stick i have fought competitively and hope to again soon.

 

You've got the right idea with the leg kicks, but I wouldn't go anywhere near a thai clinch with James Toney. A lot of schools use the uppercut to counter the plum and James Toney will have quite simply the deadliest uppercut in MMA. Couture did the right thing - go for the low single. Even a double would suffice but never give him a chance to stay on his feet.

 

I see what you're trying to say, but you're looking at this all wrong. You're DEFINING athleticism as something that's not involved in the sport of boxing and then criticizing boxers for not doing it. Sprints and vertical leaps and weight lifting are ways of measuring certain kinds of athletic ability, but that doesn't mean that balance and timing and coordination aren't just as if not more important "athletic" traits. You could take the best athletes in the NFL and train them for fifteen years and they'd NEVER be able to beat James Toney in a boxing match because he's more athletic in what counts for boxing.

 

You're a ****** and a ***** hiding behind the "I'm too masculine" to grapple BS when in fact you know you'd get humiliated and whipped on. No matter how many snide comments you make in mma threads about it, this is 100% clear to everyone. FACT.

 

thats because timing and coordination are neurological factors, not physical and i never said boxers arent great athletes, as most are.
i said james toney isnt a great athlete.
does he have great reflexes? yes good timing? for sure, some of the best there is.. but dont tell me the fat **** is pushing any boundaries of physical performance let alone being "world class" because thats just horse****..

part of my gripe is im sick to death of people particularly commentators lowering the bar of what truly is a world class athlete.
you hear it all the time particularly in football and such. bill smith has world class speed or john smith has world class strength when the fact is if you put them up against true world class opposition in the discipline they are referring to theyd get absolutely smoked.

 

My favourite thing in the career of James Toney was when he got taken down by Randy Couture. It was nothing short of hilarious, seeing his fat ass jiggle to the canvas after one of the most easy to avoid takedowns ever, and Joe Rogan's just like "oh no, he can't even defend this."

 

I believe it is the other way around. The right kick is best against the right hand. It gives you an autoslip and a nice whack on the thigh to boot.

 

Maybe the guys you sparred were jackknifing their kicks? As in keeping their head in the same spot while throwing their kicks, which is sloppy technique.

 

I agree 100% about the "world class" thing being overused, but it's really so vague of a term that it's easy to throw around. Who is "world class"? Are the top 1% of all people on the planet at running 100 meters "world class"? Top 1% is pretty good, but it's what, ten people out of the 3.5 billion males in the world that run the finals of the 100 meters in the olympics? Are they the only once who are considered "world class"? What about the guy that finishes last in that race? See what I'm saying? The thing that makes the term so annoying when overused also makes it cool. It's annoying to keep hearing it, but someone who has made millions of dollars as a pro athlete can certainly be considered "world class" without having to stretch the percentages too much.

As for Toney, you're again stuck on what you consider "athletic" to be. I guess I factor in something like "what would/could" said athlete have done in some other sport had they not chosen boxing. Toney, as I understand, was actually a very good high school football player and played at around 200 lbs, which makes his cutting down to 154 so crazy. Roy Jones played semi-pro basketball, as another example and who knows how good he could have been if he'd have focused on that. On the flip side, I think Allen Iverson had all of the tools (quickness, balance, toughness, reach etc) to be a great boxer if he'd have chosen that as well.

 

Shocking post, he's a boxer not a sprinter! I bet I could beat him in a 100m race, however, I don't believe in the slightest that I could beat him at boxing because of that.

Just because you excel at one sport it doesn't mean you have to be good at others!