Let's Talk About It...Is OSDT Bad For The Sport

With so many different sanctioning bodies, different rules and commissions in different states/countries, the testing an athlete in boxing will have to abide to will never be standardised.

Boxing needs one governing body to make the rules and issue the belts and I think that's a bigger problem for the sport; the lack of f**king consistency.

Once you have a set of rules that everybody has to follow, all the haters can shut the f*ck up!!!

 

i personally believe this is the most important thing as well....it's a deterrent

 

No. The reason why they are doing random testing because olympic fights does not only take place in one night. It is a tournament, it is not proper in the PRO. No one is above the rules and no fighter can enforce the rules.

 

can you tell me one fighter that has tested positive before the fight? Just one.

 

To be fair, boxers did take a lot of steroids for much of the last century.

Manny didn't have to walk out on the fight, over drug testing.

He did so, as he wouldn't take drug tests.

 

I agree with you and to sum this all up all people have to do is think without their emotions. Can somebody please name me a fighter that has tested positive before the fight?

 

Manny PAcquiao gets away with it, as without doubt, his fans are the dumbest people on the planet.

Any other fighter was acting like this, he'd already be thought of as the next Barry Bonds

What's more likely?

Some mass conspiracy to force Manny out of a fight, involving the USADA, Mayweather, WADA, Conte, Malignaggi, Cotto, Hopkins, Mosely, Marquez blah blah blah

Or the fact that suspected PED user, Pacquiao, is suspected, as most boxers know full well what he's doing, and decided to call his bluff after Roach told the world "He'll pass any test you want him to take".

Evidently not

 

:deal I personally think that if Manny is cheating he is not the only one. People can say what they want but they can't name a fighter that has tested positive before a fight only after which is like having sex and then putting a condom on after. Floyd didn't ask Manny to test to catch him he asked him to test to make sure its natural skills vs natural skills on fight night. Boxing is dirty as hell and all boxers know that **** and even the Networks and Promoters know bc they are the dirty ones. They defend Manny but go after Barry Bonds and Bonds has never failed a drug test either. LMAO!:huh

 

The only reason boxing gets away with it, in my opinion is:

Americans are actually pretty naieve about drug cheats. As in truth, their sports have been VERY slow to clamp down on them.

Guy fails a drug test in the NFL, he gets a 4 game ban, and fans don't care. Guy fails a drug test in soccer, Athletics, cycling, cricket, Rugby, or any other sport in Europe, and he's banned for 2 years, and is basically finished in the sport.

Europe have been doing a lot of random drug testing for decades. And European fans have come to a pretty sorry conclusion. If you're not testing VERY hard, a heck of a lot of athletes will be cheating. By that I mean, probably the majority of athletes.

American fans seem to think everyone's clean until they fail. The actual truth is that you have to presume the majority of athletes are guilty unless they're passing regular random blood and uring tests, and even then they can still beat them.

You know, to show how naieve American fans are on this.

Athletics - they are tested almost once a week, randomly, for 12 months of a year. 300 athletes still failed tests. As in, they were still trying to cheat and beat the system.

Cycling - they are tested TWICE A DAY while they're competing. Like every day, for nearly 8 months of a year. Guys still fail all the time. They go 2-3 years beating that system, and then fail.

Boxers are tested once, a fight. Twice a year. In a pre planned test, that they have 4 months to prepare for. They can juice up for probably 99% of their camp, and still beat that test.

You'd have to be plain stupid not to cheat!


This is what I'm saying. Even when you have full random testing, people still beat the system, and go years cheating. The key issue is, they catch way more of them.

So if guys are beating the full random testing system, for years, how many boxers do you think are beating Nevada's tests?

As I said, European sports fans are long used to full random testing. They know how many people cheat.

American fans are just very naieve on drug testing. And stuck in the 1980s.

You know, one last example - the US Olympic team refused to switch to WADA testing for decades. They only switched to it in 2004. The rest of the world had been doing it since the early 1990s.

Want to know what suddenly happened? Half the freaking team started failing, and getting banned. Marion Jones, CJ Hunter, Gatlin blah blah blah.

Their fail rate went up by about 600%.

This is the problem, a lot of you fans don't get. If you're not part of an independent body, or scheme, for this sort of thing, you can do anything you freaking want.

By that I mean, you set your own rules, and it's at your own disclosure how you deal with stuff.

By that I mean, when the USA Olympic Team were handling their own testing (very similar to boxing now), you had guys and gals failing all the time. Like multiple times a year. Superstar athletes. The USA Olympic team, like boxing, dealt with it all in house. Without independent scrutiny.

Want to know what they did when someone failed. They'd do one of:

1: Keep the failure confidential, for the "good of the sport" and discipline the athletes secretly and internally

2: Write off failures as "tainted" results, and let them do the tests again, days later, where they'd miraculously pass. Again, all in secret.

Carl Lewis failed 4 drugs tests the year before the Seoul Olympics in 1987. Nobody found out until 2004!

Ben Johnson lost his gold medal, through random drug testing, from a failure. But the guy who took it from him, only got it, and was only competing, as the USA weren't doing WADA testing.

Sorry, in regards to drug cheating, boxing is probably a step below 1990s Baseball. By that I mean, a lot of people will be cheating.

You know, as hard as it's going to sound, when you see the testing Pacquiao's been passing (the same one Mosely has as well...............) and his abject refusal to do full random testing, I'd say there's a pretty decent chance he's taking some sort of supplement that he'd fail on.

 

Floyd doesn't deserve credit for suggesting OSDT. He only did it to find an excuse not to fight Manny.
I mean, lets be real..look at Floyd's antics. Even though he has genius level boxing skills, he's obviously pretty close to being ******ed in every other aspect of life.
A guy who beats women and civilians , and makes up rumors to descredit people he doesn't want to fight, is hardly the type to become a crusader for drug testing for all the right reasons.

 

hammertime:deal

 

SMH, you don't know what was going on behind closed doors. I don't believe ANY of these guys' accounts of the negotiations. You don't know who's asking for what, and who's in the right or wrong- lots of liars with huge egos involved in putting this fight together and both camps are trying to color perception on the fight. I don't blame Manny OR Floyd for the fight not happening... But the thing is that Floyd's public behavior has led a lot of people to believe that he is indeed the one throwing a wrench in the works. How could you not after the stupid youtube videos and listening to what his family say? Pacquiao did the smart thing and kept his mouth shut. And look at who's winning the PR battle.


As for the Pacquiao steroids thing man..... Innocent before proven guilty, thats how the American justice system's supposed to operate and I stand by it. Plus it's not like Pacquiao is faster or stronger than before in a suspicious way, he's put on weight since he was a 17 year old flyweight and he's become a better boxer. I don't see a godly "leap" in athleticism above any previous versions. he's just gotten better and filled out as he's grown up. It happens.

 

NO and yes at the same time.

No it's good so you're opponent can't cheat
Yes because it can stop a fight from happening. Remember what mayweather has started for trying to avoid pacquiao. I forgot who it was but he ask klitscko to take the osdt testing and klitscko says no.

So unless the boxing commssion says they'll switch to it. They should stick with the testing they already have.

 

so has baseball end your post!!!!