Can someone explain to me why Timothy Bradley is in the p4p top 10??!

for anybody just joining the debate, these are the questions that popkins has refused to answer 7 times whilst trying to take the discussion off on a tangent to avoid further exposing his own inadequacies



how highly did you rate paul briggs as a fighter?

so dawson won a close fight v johnson the 1st time and then for the rematch 2 of the judges scored the fight 115-113, you think that is wide and convincing?

you do know that glen johnson has been beaten by the likes of clinton woods, sven ottke, sosa, and derik harmon don't you?

so where would you say you (roughly) you had kessler in your p4p rankings when he fought ward, and do you still think that that one win on wards resume was worthy of placing a fighter as number 6 on your p4p list?

 

It doesn't. YOU made a thread stating that Bradley doesn't have the credentials to be P4P top 10. What I'm saying is that it's hugely contradictory to argue that when you once had Dawson ranked at number #3 based on pure personal admiration for his ability (his resume certainly was never the 3rd best and I'm sure you'd acknowledge that).

You cannot and should not be critical of someone having Bradley in their top 10 with that in mind.

I'll make no more posts as we're going around in circles and you clearly have a racist debate to tend to!!!

 

yes jack, these are the last p4p rankings from popkins







My Pound-For-Pound Top Ten (1st August 2010)
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He is the man in possession, the king on the throne. As the second-placed fighter is in the same division as the kingpin, the only way he can take this crown is in the ring, and to do that Floyd will have to actually man up, so Pac is safe at number 1 for the foreseeable future. Manny has barely lost a round over the last two years, and is now dominating and decimating men far naturally larger than himself - the definition of a pound-for-pound legend.


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The only choice for number 2, Floyd joins Pacquiao in a league of two far above the best of the rest. Mayweather beat the far smaller Marquez with ease in a routine (and some would argue pointless and unfair) tune-up, but in his next fight he produced the goods big-time vs Mosley. Shook to his boots twice early on, Floyd showed his pound-for-pound star quality by winning every round thereafter. The pressure is now on for him to step up and try to reclaim his former position as number 1. The world continues to wait.

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I realize this may be an unexpected and unpopular choice, but I think Dawson's accomplishments are underrated on the whole. To have beaten Tomasz Adamek as well as Glen Johnson twice, whilst establishing himself as the clear number 1 in the light-heavyweight division, is no mean feat for a young fighter - and anyone doubting the value of the Johnson wins need only see how Johnson turned away top 10 ranked Yusaf Mack in his most recent fight. Dawson has been at the top of his division for a few years now, has beaten the best of the generation before him, and is now taking on the toughest opponent available in Jean Pascal.

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As many on ESB know, I am no fan of Wladimir, not by a long shot. However, even though I find him the most boring boxer of all-time, this does not blind me to his merits. I find it very strange that The Ring continues to ignore someone as dominant as he is. Wladimir is on a long unbeaten streak of dominant victories, and although the standard of opposition has not been great, it is not possible to fight consistently strong comp in a division as weak as heavyweight (especially when a good fighter like Povetkin inexplicably and in my opinion unforgivably shirks out of mandatory challenger status). I do not like Wlad as a boxer, and I do not like the heavyweight division, but a champion this dominant cannot be overlooked when it comes to pound-for-pound standings.

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Martinez is a strange one in terms of pound-for-pound recognition. It wasn't long ago that he was fighting dire competition in small hall fights, and was a million miles away from mixing in this sort of company, but (depending on your personal perspective on the outcomes of some of his recent fights) his last three performances were pretty special. For me he clearly deserved a win vs Cintron, and I scored the Martinez-Williams fight to Maravila. A win over Williams is significant, as the Punisher is himself a legitimate pound-for-pound contender. The major scalp on his record is Kelly Pavlik though, what a win. Martinez, a natural lightmiddle weighing 167lbs on the night, vs Pavlik, middleweight KO specialist who was 178 in the ring, and Martinez turned in a supreme display to thoroughly deserve the verdict - and in my opinion to thoroughly deserve the #5 spot.

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This is another choice which I'm sure many people will disagree with, but pound-for-pound talents are extremely rare in this era, there really aren't many strong candidates, and I think the Super Six leader and favourite deserves some recognition at this point. Although I personally prefer Andre Dirrell as a fighter, Ward is the one who is looking more complete and confident at this stage. To win every minute of every round in a high stakes fight vs Green was superb, and Ward almost shut out Edison Miranda as well. Of course, his greatest win was Kessler, making a mockery of his own inexperience to completely dominate a proven world-class supermiddleweight who went on to take Froch's zero in his next fight. Right now, Ward is looking every bit the next Bernard Hopkins, a long-standing star in the making and a fighter of extreme quality.

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The Mayweather fight did not affect JMM's pound-for-pound standing one iota in my eyes. Marquez was only up at that weight for the payday, and the size differences rendered it a mismatch. However, I think both Diaz fights have shown that Marquez is patently not the fighter he once was. In 2008, JMM showed in the Pacquiao rematch that he was one of the top two active fighters in the world, but since moving above 130lbs I don't think he looks the same. Marquez's frame and body type clearly don't allow him to carry additional weight well - as proven by his bloated, overweight appearance in the Mayweather clash. In the first Diaz fight, Marquez really struggled with the Baby Bull's pace, aggression and strength early on before his own power, skill and accuracy won out. In the rematch, Marquez was again the better man, but it wasn't a dominant or spectacular or even particularly impressive performance - and a pound-for-pound top 3 or 4 guy would annihilate a Juan Diaz-calibre fighter IMO.

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Many people will feel Williams should be above Ward, as Williams has been around longer and has a higher number of good wins on his ledger, but for me Williams has slid a little in the pound-for-pound stakes because of the nature of his recent fights. The Cintron fight had no resolution so no credit can be given to either man for the outcome, and I felt Martinez beat Williams. Winky Wright is well past his best and was coming off a very long lay-off, and Verno Phillips is even older than Winky! I do rate the win over Phillips, but if you are looking for the last time Williams was a convincing winner over a prime top 10 ranked opponent you'd have to go back to the Quintana rematch in '08. I think Williams has the potential to climb back up the rankings, but in all fairness he is in dire need of a big win, and soon.

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I think Donaire is a great fighter, but I do think The Ring have given him an unjustifiably high placing in their top 10. Yes, he pulled off a sensational knockout of Vic Darchinyan... but that was three years ago now. Since then he has beaten a sequence of good, solid comp, but there's no real solid gold wins there. Donaire will occupy a higher placing in these rankings - but he should do so after he has unified titles or beaten another top name, not in anticipation of this.

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I'm not a great believer in Calderon, but the dearth of valid contenders for the pound-for-pound top 10 sees him make the cut on the basis of his unbeaten record and longevity. I haven't been all that impressed with his last few performances on the whole, I think he is on the decline, and I don't think his resume is great, irrespective of the quality of the divisions he has fought in. However, in this era you can't knock a guy who has remained unbeaten as long as he has, he has shown himself to be a skilled boxer over the years.

 

oh lets see, he ducked answering for an 8th time

 

He's been asking you something for over a day and you still havent answered you mong.

 

so lets see, you want me to continue answering your questions whilst you continue to duck mine?

you know full well i have answered that question yesterday, so why is it that you are so scared to answer my questions?

 

I dont need to apologise to you. I have already said two wrongs dont make a right, and dont care to read racist comments from anyone

 

which question is that jpab?

 

Just out of interest. No Cotto?? I think he's being very unfairly underrated in P4P rankings at the moment! based upon losing to the #1 guy!!

You also call Donaire's Ring Mag ranking "unjustifiable". How can you say that when Ward is above him in your list with a weaker resume!?!?!?! It's just contradictory Popkins. I understand it's just your personal choice, but if that's the case I should be allowed to have Winky Wright as P4P #1 ever without criticism.