Ali (1 thru 61; Hunsaker thru Berbick)

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  1. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's pretty well documented that Muhammd Ali's greatest fight was with
    Joe Frazier in Manila, 10/1/75.

    And, quite possibly his worst, was his performance versus Trevor Berbick
    on 12/11/81.

    1),,, Joe Frazier III (10/1/75)
    61),,Trevor Berbick (12/11/81)

    A list is being comprised for a Sunday Magazine, anybody have any input on where each fight should be.

    It includes his losses also.
     
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  2. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'd put ali's loss to holmes as his worst.
     
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  3. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Holmes was definitely worse, a terrible performance which has laughably been tagged the 'greatest example of a fighter showing heart' by a few boneheads on here.
     
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  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:you are joking
    ali looked and fought like a corpse
     
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  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    I wish I was. :!:
     
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  6. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Looked Best vs Ernie Terrell '67

    Greatest Win vs George Foreman '74

    Greatest Fight vs Joe Frazier I '71

    Worse Fight vs Larry Holmes '80
     
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  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Looked his best vs Cleveland Williams.
    Greatest win vs George Foreman.
    Greatest fight vs Joe Frazier III.
    Worse fight vs Larry Holmes.

    Anyone have the entire list ?
     
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  8. combatesdeboxeo

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    ali never looked best in the fight of terrel, his legs were not so fast in this fight. the best ali(that we saw) was against cleveland williams and sonny liston.
     
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  9. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The list is based on his overall performance in the ring and quality opponent.
    1),,,Joe Frazier III
    2),,,Cleveland Williams
    3),,,George Foreman
    4),,,Ernie Terrell
    5),,,Joe Frazier II
    6),,,Sonny Liston I
    7),,,Zora Folley
    8),,,Sonny Liston II
    9),,,Joe Frazier I
    10),,Floyd Patterson I
    11),,Ken Norton II

    60),,Larry Holmes
     
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  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Berbick was an okay fight considering how shot he was.

    Spinks I has to be down there, Probably 59 in my book, with Berbick at 58.

    What about the Quarry fights they would have to be pretty highly rated, i would have thought. And the three Norton fights were pretty ordinary performances, although in some ways the effort in the 1st with the broken jaw was still pretty good even though he lost. I think it is a pretty interesting topic actually.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali's best perfomance for me is either Patterson or Terrell. He looks unreal against Williams, but he was just no enough challenge at the time to really prove anything against.

    He's at his worst against Holmes, but I think Spinks is his worst loss. Greatest win is either Liston I or Foreman. Perhaps Foreman, since that ended more conclusively.

    Underrated perfomances are those against Patterson, Ellis and Berbick.
     
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  12. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too. At least the great man was throwing punches in the Berbick fight.
     
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  13. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see it pretty much the same. Out of the 70's performances,I'd say his best were - Quarry 2,Norton 2,Frazier 2,Foreman and Frazier 3. His worst of that decade were - Young and Spinks 1.
     
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  14. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Another case of having superman standards for Ali



    Good....he convinced you..
     
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  15. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    totally agree...terrell is also a pick for the top spot. some will put folley at number 1 but i just didn't see the same destructive quality there
     
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