Who is the daddy of boxing?

Audley "A-Force" Harrison.

His miniature axe would strike fear into everyone in the room.

 

Hell no. Ali couldn't back it UP in that small room with Dempsey and Joe Louis there. A rope-a-dope,wouldn't get Ali out alive !!!

 

If someone else spouted the garbage insulting all his opponents,as Frazier
[a decent man], floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, George Chuvalo [washwoman], and so many other demeaning remarks, they would be chastised for these insults, but Ali always got a pass...Why the damn double standard ? If i and millions of others refused to seve in the armed forces, as Ali did, we would be thrown in the brig or worse. But he was treated as a victim, by so many boxing supporters who were mesmerized by his verbocity. So J to say "half the times it was for the cameras ",don't
wash for me...Which HALF ? Give me a Joe Louis who let his lethal fists do the talking, and after koing his opponents, NEVER GLOATED. Now THEIR was a man to idolize !!! Cheers....

 

Barney Ross for being a man's man. War hero and all.

 

D, you are so right. Barney Ross was probably Boxings greatest hero in the true sense of the word. Golden Glove champ, lightweight and welterweight champion against the likes of Canzoneri, McLarnin, Petrolle, Battling Battalino, Ceferino Garcia, etc. In a career of 81 bouts, Ross lost just 4
close decisions, never floored or stopped. in World War 11, Barney ENLISTED in the Marines, became a decorated hero at Guadacanal,saving
his comrades lives, was injured, and became addicted to morphine. Hit
absolute bottom, then by great will, overcame his addiction and lived a full life...What a true HERO Barney was. A great fighter and brave man Ross was indeed...Good choice D...:good

 

Thread re-opened.

LARRY FOLEY.

Thread closed.

 

he could have another war hero and general all round interesting fighter, lew jenkins as his right hand man.
whoevers in the room, there has to be some ladies too.
ali
max baer
greb
jenkins
louis
lamotta
robinson and (very) randy turpin
make that a hunderd women

 

how happy would larry be ??
atb
larry

 

An Italian of course.

 

I like Barney Ross, wonder where floyd would be in the pecking order.

 

which one ??

 

mayweather jnr

 

Your not giving people credit here burt, not every Ali fan was 'mesmerized' by his verbosity. I tend to judge Ali on his ring achievements and i stand by what i said about him backing up what he said , in the ring. There must be something lost in translation here BB as i wasnt implying Ali would, or could, go in that room full of those greats and impose his will. Guys like Louis were strong of character who dont have to say much.

With respect BB, i think it must be a bit of a generation thing with regards to Ali. Not yourself personally, but a lot of older gents tend to dislike him. My grandfather hated Ali with a passion, used to refer to him as a loudmouth, whilst my father loved him. Tell me this, and im serious here as my minds went blank, when did Ali ever gloat after KOing someone? I only ever remember him putting his arm round guys

As for my saying 'half the time it was for the cameras', then i stand by that too. The guy was selling fights Burt. Do you think him getting a lead and a bus and going to listons house (after leaking it to the press) wasnt drumming up interest in a fight?

Anyhow, opinions will be divided on him so we'll agree to disagree.
Have a great New Year Old Hand

 

All of those Ali tactics you just described make for a damn good daddy of boxing. He sold fights and aroused public interest and also backed his loudmouth up with exceptional in ring performances.
Joe Louis was indeed a great fighter, but he wasnt his own man. He followed the norms of being a black man in a white society despite being heavyweight champion of the world, and then look what happened to him after he retired. Patterson is one of my favourite characters in boxing but he did the exact same thing of being what some say a follower.
Now Ali taught that black is beautiful, when he gloated, he was hated, but he was also loved because there stood a black man a muslim man as the Heavyweight Champion of the world. Thats why Ali got the pass because HE WASNT AFRAID TO BE HIMSELF, he risked years of his prime in order to show that he wasnt afraid to be his own man. Now THATS to be idolized

 

Jack Johnson would put Ali into his place here.