Just a question worth thinking about. Erik Morales didn't really fight and beat too many fighters of note as a Super Bantamweight besides Marco Antonio Barrera, Junior Jones, and Daniel Zaragoza. On paper, that sounds terribly impressive, but a couple of things to consider. Daniel Zaragoza was woefully past his prime, and the fight was pretty much the passing of the torch. Likewise, although Jones was one of the best at 122lbs, he had just been stopped early by Mckinney before Morales defeated him. Not a great win on the grand scale. The majority of observers had MAB beating Morales at the Mandalay Bay, also. I'm not detracting from Erik Morales accomplishments, he probably is the best Super Bantamweight since the great Wilfredo Gomez, but I thought he got better with experience. Look at the performances he turned in against Paulie Ayala, Carlos Hernandez, and Manny Pacquiao? Among his most accomplished performances of his career, and all above 122lbs. He seemed to improve his defense somewhat, and became more of a measured operator. At least in my opinion. Morales most technically accomplished performances, including his debated loss to Marco in the rematch, all happened around 2002-2005. Thoughts?
I really like the Hernandez performance too. Some great feints in that fight from memory (haven't seen it since I saw it). I agree that he got better too. Part of the problem with labelling a fighter best a the smaller weight is that he's more imposing at that weight, it's easier to get his natural style across versus smaller men. At the higher weights his hands were more educated, by far, and his small moves were better. Better fighter above super-bantam.
:good It's puzzling to me that the overwhelming majority think he was at his best at 122lbs. I watched his fight with Daniel Zaragoza just the other day, and there wasn't a great deal to admire. He was getting tagged repeatedly by the overhand right, and although Morales was never all that elusive at the higher weights, he got tagged less often and seemed to place his punches with more purpose against the likes of Ayala and Hernandez.
Good topic Addie, i'll be back soon to have a talk about it. Because of the nature of a lot of his close fights you can really go back and forth depending on how you scored them. The thing that impressed me so much about him at 122 was that he was a force that you couldn't help but notice. He was actually very very impressive at 130 before he started to decline sharply.
I think Erik Morales had the capacity to defeat Barrera at 130lbs, but he wasn't taking his opponent as seriously as he should have, and was more concerned with scoring the knockout then winning the right way, which is something Jones Jr alluded too in the commentary box. He came in like 10lbs heavier than Barrera, and was talking only of knocking out his opponent before the opening bell. He won the second half of the fight, but by that time it was too late. He showed against Manny Pacquiao that he was still a force, but taking part in those kind of fights, back to back, must be taxing and would inevitably show a bit later on, I think. I don't think any version of Morales that was seen at 122lbs would have had the technical capacity to compete with a Manny Pacquiao or a Featherweight, Marco Antonio Barrera. It's hard to make the comparison given the differences in weight, etc. but on a technical level, I think he showed much more later on, as McGrain says.
Great subject for me as Morales is probably my favorite fighter. I always held the belief that if Eric could have stayed down at super bantam or even feather he would have ruled for many years. I remember feeling worried for him when he went in against Hernandez etc at 130 because his incredible tenacity and strength were always going to have less effect against naturaly bigger guys. So yes, for me 122 - 126.
Erik Morales may well have dominated for a long time if he had decided to stay at 122lbs, but that would have been testament to how weak Super Bantamweight became once himself and Marco Antonio Barrera moved up to the 126lbs limit. It wasn't really a choice he made anyhow, he was struggling to make weight so he was almost forced to move up a division. For me, the weight wasn't as much as a factor as timing. Erik Morales would have improved gradually regardless of whether he was moving though the weights or not, but it just so happens that he started at 122lbs, and that's when he wasn't the finished article on a technical level.
I would've loved to see Pac at 122lbs face off against Morales around 2003. That would've been a true clash of the titans, although maybe it would've flown under the radar since Pac was not yet popular at the time. For my money, Pac would've stopped him in an epic war. I think Morales was at his best from his late days at 122 up to first few fights at 130. Right blend of skills and athleticism
:good pacquiao at 122 was too sluggish, raw and only rely on his power straight left, Erik was to accurate, skilled and versatile at 122, I'm not comparing Poison Jones with pacquiao but same result for me. Erik TKO4 Pac at 122