A peak joe louis vs a peak lennox lewis

Derek Chisora is better than both, boxing evolved, you know?

 

Old fighters have those too you know, Roy Lazer 32-2-2, Delany 17-1-0, Kranz 14 - 0.
Most guys had a poor w-l record not because the average opposition they faced was superior, it's because the average fighter wasn't as good.

I've got a few old boxing books that I'll dig up, it's been a while mind, regardless it's crazy imo to say boxing has stayed still whilst every other sport has advanced, did the even know what a protein shake was in 1950?????

 

because wlad eats better?


.........:think Please excuse me If I don't buy that.

A prime Ali would be too busy floating around a like a certain pretty winged insect to worry about too many mechanical Wlad jabs, not to mention Wlad would be at the biggest mental disadvantage he'd ever been in going into a fight.

 

Exactly, because we all know, the most important thing in boxing is athleticism and conditioning.

 

Yes he would ... only to be crushed like one. :good


btw. I´m sarcastic. :good

 

without a brotein shake it is impossible to become athletic

 

He's better conditioned

 

True but the 215lbs + fighters were very few and far between, that's common place nowdays.

The average height and weight is much bigger today, if it's not as much of a factor as people make out where have all the under 200lb challengers been for the last 30 years? They can challenge for the HW title afterall can't they?

 

One thing I keep hearing is that Lennox would be so much stronger that Louis but after watching Joe dismantle Carnera I doubt that claim very much. Carnera tried to muscle Louis early in the fight and Joe spun the big fellow around with ease. Strength in a boxing sense is relative. After all you can't pick an oponent off his feet and hip toss him to the canvas..Nor is it a question of who can lift the most weight in a competition so "strength" is only one piece of the puzzle. Try to muscle a superbly conditionrd 200lb man even if you're taller and heavier and you"ll be in for a rough time so strength isn't the be all and end all where boxing is concerned. So where does that leave Lewis in his fight against Louis? Joe is as technically proficient and the more complete puncher with faster hands I might add. Aside from size where does Lennox surpass Joe? Power? Hand speed? Boxing skills? Mobility? Sorry guys but I say no to each category. Does that mean Lennox couldn't win? Of course not. But to say that his size alone would defeat Louis is a stretch...and a big one at that.

 

There are others obviously, but no one can convince me any old fighter has a bigger heart than the likes of Holyfield, a better chin than Holmes etc, equal sure but better? you get my point.

 

nah, he just has a ridiculously conservative style that saves energy.

 

good job taking the metaphor a little further:good, but how exactly would he be getting crushed? come talk to me when Wlad somehow develops the foot speed and ring generalship to deal with the personification of crafty that is a prime Louisville Lip

 

Interesting discussion here on the "boxing has evolved" topic. There have been improvements and setbacks, I'm a bit on the fence although PowerPuncher raises some good points.

I do think there's a significant difference between the heavies and the lower weight classes in this regard. Due to better nutrition, weight training, etc, athletic people of the past ~30 years have been bigger than their counterparts before them. It's not a coincidence that the 190lbs heavyweight champion went with the dinosaurs. And yes, there may be a Roy Jones here and there, but the exception doesn't prove the rule. Guys like Lewis, Bowe and the Klitschko's simply do not compare to Carnera, B. Baer, Willard, etc.