A peak joe louis vs a peak lennox lewis

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  1. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    Protein shakes is just the start of it, I'm talking all nutritional advancement, back then - "eat chicken and fish, it's great for protein" boxer "ok, how much does it have" doc "ermmm, a lot!!!". Today they can taylor a diet to the gram, even helping fat ****ers like Solis to a degree..... ok maybe not:lol:

    As for W-D-L look at some of Louis's opponents, Savold, Roper, Simms, Levinsky, Galento, I could go on, all those guys had losses to guys who should have padded their records, but they lost, now why is that?

    Anyway I'm using Lewis for my basis, I rate him higher than Tyson, how many of Lewis's opponents had padded records?

    IMO fighters could have had better padded records back then but didn't because they lost when they should have won.
    Not every fighter with a 32-2 type record of the last 30 years has been padded, for every McNeeley I can point to fighters just like that on the record of pre 50's fighters.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Ok, but why would I compare a bodybuilder to a boxer? There are comparable athletes for almost all the boxing divisions if you want to compare boxers rather than bodybuilders, which makes sense - this doesn't. Wlad is perhaps an exception, but by how much? And there are other, better fighters in the history of his sport without that body - the reason being, that body doesn't lend some massive advantage in boxing.

    Additionally, that bad boy has been using steriods, hasn't he?
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But even if you are right, which fighters from this era do you think are a CLASS ABOVE these guys:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56fBd7nfmUY[/ame]
     
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  4. Muchmoore

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    The point of my post was addressing yours about nutrition being simply a matter of convenience. If this were true, where were the Klitschko's all throughout history? Over the entire 20th century there were a mere handful of quality fighters who could compare with the Klitschko's in the tale of the tape. In the past decade alone we have as many or more physical behemoths in the ring than all the rest of history combined.

    Pudz was on roids, yes. Another thing we have today which was unavailable in the past and has been proving beneficial to those using.
     
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  5. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Not taking steroids.
     
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  6. Muchmoore

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    And that's the point.
     
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  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, of course. Cheating is a good thing. :roll:
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Okay, I will rephrase to say up to, and including, the sport of boxing and excluding bodybuilding and bodybuilders. This is as far as my interest stretches.

    Carnera is listed as having a longer reach than Wlad, and is shorter by around an inch. He is not as ripped as Wlad, but then nor is Ali.

    If you want to make the case for nutrition as the difference maker between now and the forties, you have to better than men's bodies.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Well anyone caught taking steroids is banned, and loses the fight they are in automatically, even if they have won it by KO.

    I'm not sure what that does for their head to head prospects :p
     
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  11. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McGrain the point I'm making is modern fighters don't have the luxury of fighting guys with 60% win records on a regular basis, drop 27 of the guys Louis fought in today's HW scene and they'd stay at CW, they wouldn't dare go near the HW's, 5 would more than likely lose a couple of lbs and stick at CW also, the 250lb guys would struggle to be top 10 let alone get a title shot, yet these are guys who actually fought for the title.

    Drop guys on Lewis's record like Mercer, Golota, Tucker, Bruno, Rahman back in the 40's and they wipe the floor with everyone bar the elite, Louis, who beats them all, it's why he's so great.

    Like I said I'll compile height, weight and record statistics to aid us in debate.
     
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  12. Muchmoore

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    You won't get caught taking steroids unless you're an idiot with them.
     
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  13. Muchmoore

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    You're making the wrong argument. There were more good fighters in the 40's than today.
     
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  14. bodhi

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    Why are you ignoring arguments that destroy yours?
     
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  15. bodhi

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    And you think that´s a good thing? You think cheating is a good thing? Wow ...
     
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