What would have happened Marvin Hagler/Wilfred Bentiz

benitez wins easily for 15 rounds he schools hagler on his way to a lopsided unanimous win benitez hagler is no match for the much craftier benitez whom i think is a all round better boxer than the so called big four:yep:think

 

One thing Duran clearly did better than Benitez was take a punch (when he was in reasonable shape and not partying as he did prior to Hearns). Take another look at SRL jabbing him to the floor, then Hagler start Hamani on his way out of the ring with a single mid ring southpaw jab. Wilfred was dropped thrice by Bruce Curry, twice by a single punch from SRL, fell at least four times against Hamsho (although inexplicably, none was ruled a knockdown), was dropped by a single opening round right cross by Davey Moore, and we won't discuss Matt Hilton, when he was very obviously way past it.

Can Benitez successfully evade that southpaw power jab for 15 rounds? Because with his chin, he'd better be able to. Hanging with Hagler meant being able to take a punch. A real case can be made that Marv had the most lethal jab of all time, including Liston's. (SRL not only got it stipulated that he challenge Hagler with them wearing ten ounce gloves, but that they also be thumbless, which reduces the impact of a jab by 50%. We know that Hagler-Benitez would have taken place with standard equipment being worn.)

Hearns was obsessed with proving his skill when he took on Benitez, and boxed accordingly. Does a single person here believe Hearns-Benitez proved that El Radar's chin could stand up to Tommy's power? Hearns liked to outbox boxers and outpunch punchers, and he was damned good at it. This outcome means nothing when evaluating Wilfred's chances of survival with Marv.

Sooner or later, that right jab is going to connect solidly, and the way Hagler could finish off a hurt opponent, Wilfred would have his work cut out for him just to survive. (It wasn't unknown for Hagler to need a single knockdown to take an opponent out either, like Scypion and Mugabe.)

 

He wasn't really hurt on either occassion, though. Rather off balance. This was also at WW. At 154 he took some good punches from Hearns without ever being close to going out. Duran was smoked by that Hearns, but never badly hurt by Hagler...

 

I think the uppercut Ray clipped Wilfred to his knees with in round 15 did hurt him, and SRL knew it. Had it happened near the outset of the round, I believe a legitimately warranted stoppage might have ensued. (The last second halt by Padilla was bull**** though, as Ray's follow up attack had been ducked. The recent death of Willie Classen had triggered the same paranoia which would later cost Mike Weaver his title after Mancini-Kim.)

 

We agree that he should have been allowed to finish, though. And Leonard at WW was a very dangerous puncher. Very arguably a more dangerous puncher p4p than Hagler. There are few at that weight I wouldn't give him a chance to KO.

It may also be so that Benitez was more comfortable at 154. He looked more mature physically and was also a couple of years older. Can't say how he would have carried 160, but he looked like he could take on a couple of pounds more without problem,I'd say.

 

As for chins: Duran's held up better against Leonard, but Benitez' held up better against Hearns - which was closer to MW.

 

Marvin Hagler by TKO in 4.

Wilfred Benetiz just didn't have the guns to hold off this 'Bull Dozer'.

See,,,,,, Terry Norris vs. Meldrick Taylor

 

Hearns did state prior to SRL-Hagler that Ray was the harder puncher. Duran has been quoted as also indicating this. (He said immediately after fighting Hagler that, "All his power is in his right hand. His left is dead.") I do think Hagler's power is overrated. But what made him lethal is that the right jab was one of his power shots, a blow he actually did knock out world class opponents with.

With respect to what Hearns did to Duran, El Cholo seemingly had nothing to fear from Tommy after Hagler. Hearns had largely been in stylist mode over the four years following Cuevas. If Duran was serious about winning, I don't think he would have partied as he did. At this stage, I don't think he minded losing so much. However, he certainly wasn't thinking that he was taking his life in his hands. I am among those who believe that a Duran on high alert would have stopped a young Hearns in a WW unification bout after Montreal, and that this is the match he should have taken instead of a return with SRL in New Orleans. With the Hearns of Cuevas hanging over him, he would not have let himself go, realizing that so many would have expected Tommy to dispatch him in 1980 as he actually did in 1984. (Really, the first warning Duran had was during the introductions, when Hearns had himself introduced as "The Hit Man" for the first time, a nickname he previously expressed distaste for.)

My thinking on Hearns-Duran also is that Tommy caught lightning in a bottle. What happened then never transpired before or since, and Roberto would compete for another 17 years, only getting punched out by Joppy over 14 years after Hearns. It was very obviously an isolated incident. Later, Duran was spun around by the same sort of shot from Barkley that Iran previously used to take Tommy out, and I then was musing about Duran-Hearns II, a rematch for which Roberto would have not even contemplated partying before. (Considering the fact that Barkley did defeat Hearns in a rematch after Duran, is it completely outrageous to suggest that Roberto had one more huge surprise in store for Tommy? In 1989, Ray had Hearns in trouble at the end. In Ray's very next fight, Duran had no difficulty standing up to him whatsoever. Barkley will have to stand as his proxy for a Hearns rematch though, as close as he could come to defeating Tommy himself.)

For Benitez, the susceptibility of his chin was fairly consistent. A solid shot from a big punch could put him in trouble most times during his career.

He was still just 24 years old when Hamsho shellacked him, so his body was still maturing when he was already on the skids. Unfortunately, I think the damage which eventually turned his brain to mush had long since been inflicted. If he could have waited until the age of majority to turn professional (and I've sometimes thought 21 should be the minimum at which this is allowed), then we would be talking about him today strictly as a middleweight. (He'd have his health today, and may well have competed at a high level into the new millennium, as the much older Duran and Holmes actually did.)

 

Mr. DUO,

Brilliantly stated,,,,,

A hidden fact, Wilfred Benetiz got blasted out badly in a sparring session with
Domingo Ayala, in Puerto Rico (1978).

He was out for a long time too.

 

Growing up, he reportedly got hammered by resentful older sparring partners. Fans often wonder how somebody with his defensive skills wound up so severely damaged. I don't believe this is something which happened in competition. I think he was getting the **** beat out of him while still a young boy with a growing and developing brain. I blame his worthless gambling SON OF A ***** ******* of an old man issGregorio the microscopic ***** for this. That self serving ******* had the nerve to get on national television after Moore-Benitez and tell the world that the reason Wilfred lost was because he was lazy in training when everybody could see that his son was stopped because of a broken leg sustained in round one. (What kind of PIECE OF steaming

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(**** the POS acronym for that EVIL COCKSUCKER-he doesn't deserve the discretion) corner man sends his boxer out for another round with a broken leg anyway, let alone his own son?

 

Your much too nice to PaPa Scumbag,,,,,,
After Hearns, that kid should have been forced to go down to 147 lbs, or fight
guys with no heavy-artillery.

Take on the Roger Staffords, Milton Guests, Steve Gregorys, Curtis Ramseys, and
Jun Sok Hwangs of boxing.

Nobody over 150 lbs.

 

Well, if he wasn't cremated but has a physical grave, and I ever find it, maybe I won't be so nice. (Think desecration by defecation. I have some more extreme yet discrete measures, but I don't want to give others here any ideas. The concept of posthumous execution appeals though.)

 

Wilfed Benetiz,,,,,,,,,,Jerry Quarry (at age 28, 1973) slurring his words, punch d***k

 

Jerry said while he was still lucid that he was pushed into boxing while he was far too young to have a choice in the matter, let alone consent to what he was being made to do. Supposedly, one cannot consent to sexual relations with an adult until past a certain age. In the United States and many other countries, there are also restrictions on how young you can be to legally smoke tobacco (a fairly recent development), drink alcohol, or of course drive a car. Yet, little kids can be legally obligated to get punched in the head and sustain brain damage by intentional action? I don't buy it. Yes, punching bags, skipping rope and running are great exercise. But sanctioned and deliberate head trauma? Not until they're old enough to understand what it is they are doing, the potential consequences, and have the freedom and ability to consent or refuse, as Jerry Quarry very clearly said he was not when he started. (And **** all parents who live their lives and frustrated dreams vicariously through their children. As Kahil Gibran wrote in The Prophet: "Your children come from you, but they are NOT you!")

 

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