Ali Hypocrite

The greatest heavyweight of all-time, hands down. But I agree, the "I'm a black muslim so I don't have to go to Vietnam like everyone else"-attitude and the way he was made a hero for his stance was bull****.

 

Of course taking money from D-Con for those commercials was O.K.
I wonder if Ali asked all those people who were giving him money for those
ad-spots, what their political view was on social issues.

see Reckitt Benckiser

Joan Crawford..'a sword cuts both ways'

 

Ha ha ha ha. I wonder if larry holmes thought about corporate conglomorates and the animals rights issue when he advertised KFC!

 

jm36,


Don't forget the defenseless poor Potato,,,,,,,,all those French Fries!

By the way, Mortein also produced Chemicals for the Vietnam War Effort.

In the end, the only people that hurt him the most, were the ones closest to him.

 

You leave the potato outta this!!!!! We irish are very sensitive about our potatos (or the lack of them back in the day)

 

my god... **** off man... stop holding a grudge like Frazier and get the **** over it. this **** happened 32 years ago... Ali may have had his faults but so did Frazier.. no one I perfect

 

Sorry about that,,,,,,,I didn't mean to step (mash) on Mr. Potatoatsch

Cherish the Potato!!!

 

What a pathetic thread. Pure ignorance


1. Ali fought in Manilla to spread boxing around the world, and to give the less fortunate countries an opportunity to be part of it. The fight happening in Manilla did more for the city than if the fight did not happen. It helped the economy, and raised global awareness of the city itself. It's not like Ali paid Marcos to fight there. Marcos paid Ali. To say Ali accepted money from Marcos, making him a bad person is such a one dimensional simplistic, and idiotic view on the entire situation. Its like arresting someone for jumping into a lake to save a drowning person, because there was a sign there that said "No Swimming". Your a narrow minded hater, who has already made up his mind.


2. Il Duce, your missing the entire meaning of Ali not joining the war. It wasn't because he was scared. It was because he was making a statement. He had no idea what the war was about, and he was the only one to come out and not be ashamed to say it, while everyone else was blinded by the curtains of patriotism. Not only that, he was showing to the world, that he was a free black man, who ould not be forced to do what white america told him to do. This is 2011. But in 1969, a black man defying the entire country with such pride and confidence was not something typical to see. Just by standing up for himself, he showed the entire world, not only the black population, that you are a free man. And that you should stand up for your beliefs.

The way your describing it implicates him as a coward who is afraid of war. Pathetic, especially from an avid "Boxing Fan".



3. The fact is, if I compiled a list of all the good deeds that Ali has done, it would be hard to believe that he was actually a human being. How bout declining to collect $80 million from congress they wanted to award him for his career exile? Maybe thats why your standards are so high for him? Because he is such a great person, that somewhere down the line, you abandoned the belief that he was human. That is at least very understandable.




You know what alexvoce, Il Duce, and Muhammad Ali have in common?


They're all equal human beings. Yet the difference is, 2 out of the three of them will be forgotten shortly after theyre dead, and will have done minuscule things to leave their mark on this earth in comparison to the third.

 

If Ali had gone to Vietnam, they (The government) would have shot him or had him killed and then told us a sad story. He was the most hated man in America at the time, look at all the other assasinations going on at the time Kennedy, MLK, Malcolm X. Ali didnt go so they through theyd screw him out of the title.

 

Mr. Reznick,

I didn't start this thread, I just joined in.
Just where did I say Ali was a coward,,,,,,,,,,,,Never!

In 1984, Ali wanted to sue the US Government for $50,000,000.
But the Judge ruled he had no basis.
Also, Ali signed away his right to sue back in 1970, when they re-issued his boxing
license.

As for Human Being, ask Roy 'Tiger' Williams back then what he thought of Ali.
A guy who spent more time with the guy than anybody.

And since when, is not allowed to have an opinion.
I'm not judging him.

Just what did Muhammad Ali do, that had a true personnal effect on your life.
He was just a human being like the rest of us.
With good, and bad intentions.

 

Well are you or are you not saying that he should have done exhibitions benefiting the war? Because if you do, then that means you think his problem with the war was going into actual combat.

What about Roy Williams? That he was complaining about his pay even though he was at a training camp where he he was befitting more than any other camp? Ali sparred him for 10 rounds with him, beating Roy up, or physically abusing him to suit your word choice better, seeing if he was worth the pay raise. Roy got mad and left. Hmmm Duce, why dont you use your research skills to compare Williams experience being in Ali's camp with some of his other sparring partners. I wonder why Holmes could be thankful and appreciative, and Williams cannot. Hmmm

And Williams spent more time with him than anybody? No. Not even close. Did you research that fact too?


What did he do that had a personal effect on my life? No one thing specifically. I love his entire story. I also have a family member who has been friends with him since 81. And the stories I've heard about his acts of kindness are first hand. And the things I've heard are amazing. This is a man who would devote every moment he could to helping others out, on small and large scales. From charity events, to a needy person on the street. He never ignored anyone asking for help.

And he wouldn't just throw money at them, and walk away feeling happy. He would take homeless people off the street, and take them to the nicest restaurants in the city, converse with them, get to know them, and truly impact their lives. Helping others was his hobby, and his joy. It's crazy when I read "boxing fans" especially skilled researchers such as yourself nitpick the little things he does wrong, in a life full of positive and good deeds, and flaunt it like you found the golden key to why he is over appreciated. Your not the only one with this "Ali is overrates a person" complex. So this is more aimed at the mentality you have about him rather than you yourself. Some of my best friends feel the same way as you.

 

Well, The Thrilla in Manila came after The Rumble In The Jungle and Mobutu was perhaps even worse than Marcos.

But Ali was just a boxer, fighting for money, not a political figure or a philosophisizing intellectual. He's not paid to make the purely moral decisions on matters of international politics (is there any morality in politics ? .. or in boxing, for that matter ?).

Ali, for all his reputation and shouting, wasn't necessarily even very advanced on questions of "black consciousness" either.
He said some shitty things about black fighters to make (the majority white) audience laugh, and to turn blacks against them. Called Frazier a Gorilla, called Terrell an Uncle Tom, etc.
Ali's a bit overrated in that respect.
He was even firmly considering fighting in South Africa in the 70s, but the fight (with Knoetze, I think) fell through. Then again, Ali was often pro-segregation anyway, which, IMO, is a sickening view to hold.

Sometimes I think Ali was a hypocrite, but really the point is he wasn't particularly clever but that didn't stop him running off his mouth all the time.
He was right sometimes, but when you're talking all the time it's hard not to be right sometimes.
It's ironic, tragic, and cruelly poetic, that he can only mumble and has been rendered incomprehensible in recent years.

 

Mr. Rez,

Do you really think Ali had anything to do with ending the war in Vietnam.
Because of his stand,,,,,,,,

C'mon,,,,,,,,Abbie Hoffman did more than him, and thats not saying much.

How the hell could boxing exhibitions if front of our U.S. Military benefit or support the war.
Its just boxing.