jack johnson vs ezzard charles....

Which era?

 

well, that's working under the assumption that louis was in fact, a halfway decent fighter

 

I have not seen combinations in the filmed evidence of the oughts and teens that come close to those of Louis'. In Johnson, I see a lot of holding and hitting (not a bad strategy as he was a strong ******* and many of his opponents were spindly little things), a lot of front to back defensive movement (again not bad when your opponents are so small), low punch output (perhaps a given for 25 or 45 round fights) and some of the silliest feints ever...On the positive side, he had a nice lead right, great uppercut and sterling reflexes.

 

But the reality is that Louis learned everything he knew from Jack Blackburn.

There was nothing in his arsenal that Blackburn or Gans or Langford would not have seen before.

 

I hear that he was prety good.

 

pfff, he was ok for the 30s. some rando named schmeling beat him with a right hand, earnie shavers had a harder right hand, therefore shavers knocks him out cold

jokes aside i see both sides of the argument. i think boxing took a strong turn towards combination punching, multi layered defense (less reliance on clinching), shift in stance and footwork in the 20s and 30s. not to say better but more "modern". still, combination punching and footwork have stood the test of time so they can't be entirely bad changes

 

I am not sure I follow your logic.

Wasn't Schmeling a prety good fighter as well?

 

:tongi was teasing, i added more to the post

 

you should watch more of the guy in my avatar

edit: at silly feints, what nonsense

 

He was garbage, obviously. He lost to Max Baer, who lost to Russell Crowe.

 

debatable? Better defence? Stronger? Harder puncher? Faster hands at hw? Bigger? No of these points is debatable,johnson was better fighter.

 

I think Charles' results at HW are to be respected.

My thought is that I'd like to see how effective Johnson's legendary defense against someone of Charles' caliber. Also, I do contest the "faster hands at HW" claim. Ezzard was plenty fast all-around, and was a technical master.

Ezzard Charles is regarded as the greatest LHW ever, beating just about everyone, then becomes the second black HW champ ever, fighting and beating some of the best there as well...

I don't buy the "better fighter" stuff. Just my opinion.

 

well, 3rd actually

 

My mistake. I knew that...

atsch

 

i think that bob foster would ko charles.