Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

I know, It was Ottke that refused to fight Joe, its just Ottkes trainer wanted Ottke to take the fight

 

Good job Calzaghe didnt drop his title as he wouldnt have been able to make a joint record defences and if he had of got Ottkes belt he wouldnt have got the marquee unification bout with Lacy, because Lacy would have just been a title defence of Calzaghes.
As for staying at home, in 24 world title fights Calzaghe only had 11 in Wales atsch
Calzaghe was established at a new weight. So if he fought at a different weight, he would have had to have fought for less money until he is recognised in the division, when instead he can defend a belt he owns for more money.
I at one time thought Calzaghe should ditch his belt and move division, but in hindsight he did the best thing ever, because by staying put he made a joint record defences in the division, won all of the world titles in the division and established himself as the greatest of a division against alot of tougher fighters who werent marquee names.
If Calzaghe had of dropped his belt years ago, sure he might never have been defeated and could have fought some marquee names like Tarver, but in truth Tarver is just a name that had lost to Harding and the worst version of Jones Jnr ever etc.
Alot of American fighters get world title opportunities easier than most due to becoming marquee names before they really beaten many decent fighters. Dawson is an example of this.

 

The UK is his home FFS



And for all this crap u believe about Warren and thsi offer and that guy didnt want to fight Joe, I believe that Frank has been singing a different tune since the split hasnt he ?

 

It wasnt Warren who I read it from. It was Ottkes trainer atsch.
Keep trying.

An earlier post in reply to the dumping of the belt

Calzaghe was established at a new weight. So if he fought at a different weight, he would have had to have fought for less money until he is recognised in the division, when instead he can defend a belt he owns for more money.
I at one time thought Calzaghe should ditch his belt and move division, but in hindsight he did the best thing ever, because by staying put he made a joint record defences in the division, won all of the world titles in the division and established himself as the greatest of a division against alot of tougher fighters who werent marquee names.
If Calzaghe had of dropped his belt years ago, sure he might never have been defeated and could have fought some marquee names like Tarver, but in truth Tarver is just a name that had lost to Harding and the worst version of Jones Jnr ever etc.
Alot of American fighters get world title opportunities easier than most due to becoming marquee names before they really beaten many decent fighters. Dawson is an example of this.

 

Or he couldve moved up in weight fougth better fighters

Maybe gone to America where the worlds best fight he may make less in the beginning but the bigger fights and money would await but he probably wouldve lost a couple


The best in the world fight in America no matter where they are from,

in the UK or any other country one of the boxers must be a Home town fighters
and as the vid shows , they get favours regularily and a lot of bad stoppages

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACgTJhEdj5M[/ame]

 

I quite like the the ottke/beyer v lacy/kessler debate. It is interesting, just a shame too many on here are more interested in hate and name calling

Bailley you can not honestly tell of you believe that a victory over johnson would not have improved joe's resume. He is the best victory on most boxers resume's.

 

when they were old and washed up you ****ing joke, that's when he faced them.

He could have come here and faced these names in their ****ing primes, but he didn't, and that makes him a joke, and you an even bigger piece of **** who should get off Joe's dick for once in your life.

Your boy was a joke who didn't have the guts to face any top American fighter in his prime.

Dispute that, ********.

 

Just a note on G Johnsons SMW career -
In 12 SMW fights Johnson has lost 6 of them.
Johnson has lost at SMW to -

M Sosa who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson
Kiwanuka who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson
Ottke 16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer
Vanderpool 27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after
Branco 38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ
Sheika who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe.

The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat
Campas 3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight
Watson 24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight
Renteria 9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2
Zimmerman 15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after
A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory

Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk.
If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume

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To think beating Green was all Johnson had to do to become a Ring rated SMW in todays ratings .

No I dont think beating G Johnson would have meant much. His biggest SMW victory was just recently, and that isnt anything to rave about

 

Joe should have travelled to fight better opposition. If he really wanted to prove himself and enhance his legacy he should have done it. In reality Warren, and probably Calzaghe as well, were unsure of how good Joe really was and instead the wanted to milk their title fighting almost exclusively at home.

Joe could have done more and his legacy could have been better.

 

Joe's resume doesn't speak for itself that's why his insecure trolls have to come here week after week and try to justify his resume to people :roll:

If Joe had an ATG resume this thread would have ended 16 pages ago.

 

What better fighters.
Against who. Why go to America. He was earning big money at home. Who at SMW or LHW was there to fight in America. No one. The best SMWs were European.
Still when there was a challenge at LHW, Calzaghe travelled and won

 

Pity hopkins lost his bottle, threw a hissy fit and backed out of a fight with calzaghe 10 years ago

"Now I say, bring on the big guys. I want Bernard Hopkins, because I see that as a career defining point. I've been champion for five years and I don't want to stagnate. I want to be seen as one of the greatest of all British champions, and I know that I need to win really big fights if the public is going to say that."

Hopkins, 37, earned the right to be called the world's No1 middleweight by beating the Puerto Rican Felix Trinidad last year, but he has so far rejected attempts made by Calzaghe's promoter Frank Warren to secure a match against the Welshman.

"We had an agreement for the Hopkins fight to happen," said Warren. "I had discussed terms with Don King, who looks after Hopkins, and I had American TV with Showtime. I would have paid Hopkins £3 million, but suddenly he said he wouldn't take the fight unless he was paid £6m.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2002/dec/16/boxing.joecalzaghe

 

As I said he shouldn't travel for money. He should travel for legacy. He should have fought Ottke and RJJ for instance.