Hoppa smashed some drunk

More video here, shows one of the guys with an object in his hands, and another picking up a bench to throw at the bouncers and Hoppa was the last guy following them, all u guys who are quick to jump in and get on hoppas back, think about if you were in a similar situation, u have all been to clubs and you are all well aware of how many morons go there, especially in the cross

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...aying-peacemaker/story-e6freuy9-1225982671823

 

You could offer something more than an assumption.....maybe not.

Heres a question for you: Can crowd controllers have thier license revoked on the grounds of poor character or any other reason not necessarily relating to a criminal charge?

Not in the minds of the police....it appears that they have enough to lay a charge of assault. There is little doubt a second charge will be laid.

I viewed it without sound or commenatry and it offers no suggestion of anything untoward by the brothers and painters and clearly depicts the crowd controllers pursuing them down the street. One painter appears to pick up a bench in self defence as the bouncers approach.
It is obvious that the incident occured at the behest of agressive crowd controllers willing to pursue people on the street to impose whatever set of rules they thought they had ownership of to bring street justice to a bunch of annoying blokes.

 

no surprise u forgot to mention that a weapon was pulled, but then that would be being objective now wouldn't it.
or that the weapon was waved around before they had tried to get into the club too.

and just because somebody lost a fight doesn't mean they didn't start it. never occured to u though huh?

no it is not obvious. u didn't see what happened before the bouncers followed them did u? no, none of us have. and u say it is obvious. pff.

 

****en heroes. I hope whoever killed that fella pays the price.

 

irrelevant what happened before they followed them.they were leaving its a police matter after that.they should of
called the cops and said''there is 3 men in painters gear
being aggressive 1 is carrying a weapon''police have capsicum spray diffuse the situation,lay charges nobody
dies.

 

What weapon? Your assuming there was a weapon? It is an object which from the footage looks nothing like a knife.

 

Hoppa reckons it was a knife, but by teh footage it looks maybe like a spanner?

 

that video dosnt show anything other than a street fight &one bloke has a 'spanner', didnt show who or wat started it,or finished it

 

It's a paint-scraper, and the bouncers were within their rights to ensure the aggressors moved on from the scene in order to protect their patrons, and this can involve herding any aggressors away from the entrance of the establishment.

The assault Hopoate's been charged for occurred out of view of the camera before the 'painters' retreated and picked up the bench. The extent of said assault is unknown, Hopoate may have simply physically prevented the guy from entering the club or even pushed him after the paint scraper was produced - he may be the guy you see falling over in the footage.

The bouncers are claiming they never hit the guy who died, but that he fell and cracked his head on the street instead. Sounds suss, obvious they cracked him, but I guess an autopsy will determine the exact casue of death and the police will take it from there. However, if no witnesses come forward and no one fesses up to it, I can't see any of the bouncers actually being charged for his murder or manslaughter.

The behaviour of the "painters' evident in the footage will go a long way to backing the bouncers' story that they were drunk and disorderly.

 

If you act like a **** you will get treated like a ****.

 

I'm starting to wonder why there has been no naming of the alleged assailant (Bouncer).

The reporter also said that Hoppa has been charged over an earlier incident but never indicated whether it was with the brother or someone else.

Seems to me there's a lot of gray areas in this mess.

 

Someone died. Someone's family is living with out a brother, son etc etc... From the footage it seems like the bloke and his mates were being a nuisance, but there have been bigger dickheads about than what they were up to... in the footage anyway.

They used the paintscraper to look up some birds dress. They go off camera. Someone is thrown to the ground. One of the guys in white picks up a table and throws it at the accumulating security guards.

One of the painters holds off one of the bouncers and seems to try to stop him from pursuing his mate.

If you ask me, that's where it should end. Not 150m down the road from the Trademark.

Anyway, everything else said about the incident as far as we, or the media are concerned is purely speculation.

- Why was the guy thrown to the ground?
- Did the guy with the paint scraper attack or was he using it in defence?
- Did they do something to warrant 10 massive blokes to continue to follow them, obviously beat them and kill one (one way or another)?

Nobody who wasn't there knows what happened. I'd put good money on there being more camera footage around - whether it turns up or not is another story. Most likely won't go public unless it'll help determine what happened (witnesses in the footage etc)

I understand that bouncers need to behave a certain way and they're hired to do a certain job. I hire security guards as part of my job and more often than not, they're simply doing what they're told. But that's for events, concerts, gigs etc. Never given or been privvy to a Club bouncer briefing.

I can sympathise with them for the **** they have to put up with and to do their job, but they're responsibility lies with the venue. Not on the street and I would be willing to bet, whether the painters started it or not that the bouncers did not have to pursue and were being hot-headed and possibly just wanting to retaliate to an attack or threat made by the painters. Yes, that's the painters being ****wits, but here we have someone who has died who didn't have to.

There were enough bouncers there for them to completely subdue the 3 or 4 of those guys who were causing trouble. And one of them clearly wasn't interested in an altercation anyway. This could have been done with out killing someone - that said, maybe the guy did trip and crack his head. It's happened before.

Anyway, that last bit from me is all speculation too and you can't be surprised for people to jump to conclusions when it comes to the behaviour of certain bouncers in the Cross. They give themselves their own reputation.

As for Hopoate - the guy is a bum and again, it's no wonder people are jumping to conclusions here.

 

The thing with Hoppa is he never seems to be very far from trouble of some sort, whether it be of his making or not, so people are going to assume the worst when they hear his name in connection with anything bad happening.

 

Mine wasn't an assumption. Unless you're some sort of simpleton who believes that all security are thugs, you've based your comments on this specific incident and these particular bouncers.

What is a "poor character" that you mention?

Simply because the police have laid a charge doesn't mean that an assault has actually taken place. There is a court process for a reason.

Your view of the cc footage simply can't be taken seriously.

 

If some pricks waving a paint scraper in my face im gunna do me best to bury him,it could be easily mistaken for a knife at nite time,it was dumb ass idea to be waving it around like a weapon...