Ali Hypocrite

The nation of islam was a crock of ****. They did good things, but had a terrible leader.

but show me one instance where they lynched someone. A comparison to the KKK is grossly exaggerating their hate for the white race. They were preaching hate towards the white race in America in mosques, while the Klan was beating people up like Emmett Till for whistling at a white woman.

I bet you Duce would say: "Well why whistle at a white women? What goes around comes around."

 

MR. REZ,
You really know how to 'twist' things.

Now its whistling at white women and beating people to death, that you're trying to
connect me with.

I'm from New York,,,,, everbody whistles at white women, black women, even men!!

 

In your previous posts you listed multiple things to try to say Ali was a bad person. I countered pretty much every single point. And when I did, you totally ignore the counter points, and say something like

"Yea, but what about...."

Well what about the fact that you just wrote a paragraph of bull**** that you cannot even back up? You've gotten a lot of free passes if were looking at it as a debate. Which we can all let slide, because the more you talk about this subject, the more entertaining it gets.


Mother Teresa is a saint. Trust me, me, you, Muhammad Ali, and everyone else would tell you that she is a much better person. She dedicated her body and mind to helping others out 24/7.

Ali, who would never compare his dedication to others with Mother Teresa, had more impact on the world, and made more positive change. But Mother Teresa is the better person. Do you compare all the selfish people who you think do everything only for themselves to Mother Teresa? Or just Ali...

Or will you just press the "skip" button on that one too.

 

REZ,

I never said Ali was a 'bad person' either.
You keep twisting my opinions.

You're stuck on the Hero Worship Merry-Go-Round.

You said I was more-or-less nothing compared to Muhammad Ali.
So I compared Muhammad Ali to Mother Theresa,,,,,

We'll be judged by God, when we meet him or her or whoever, when our day arrives.

And Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali did call himself God,,,,,,,something I never heard
anyone else say,,,,,,,in my lifetime.

 

Yeah, laughing at someone who permanently damaged and lowered their standard of life most likely through the entertainment he gave us kinda highlights this.

****.

 

Ali haters should move on. After all,Muhammad has himself. Signifigantly so.

 

Actually, I think Muhammad Ali would have taken money from the US government to fight in Madison Square Garden, so your point is incorrect.
He never said anything about not taking their money - in fact, Elijah Muhammad and the NOI were asking the US govt. to give them land and money - he just didn't want to join the Army.

- don't think he would've join the Philippines army either, in case you're wondering.

 

I think Ali acted a buffoon and was a narcissist.
I also think he had a lot of charm and charisma.
He was very savvy with his public relations, but I don't think he was ever truly intelligent.

The Nation of Islam (esp. back in the 1960s) was a whacky cult with weird doctrine that mixed "black supremacy" racism with blasphemous pseudo-Islam. I can understand why some blacks liked the message, and don't doubt that the NOI also had some positive impact on the black community. You can't really take the rantings of Elijah Muhammad as anything but the rantings of a ridiculous cult leader, and self-proclaimed "prophet". Farrakhan is entertaining but he's living in la-la land too. Black separatism and flying saucers, whatever. But each to their own.

I think people take Muhammad Ali too seriously. He was a great showman and a great fighter.
He wasn't a saint. When he first came along, he was thought of by the old-timers as "like a big phoney wrestler", and that's basically the act he carried on his entire career.
To me, his personality is nothing more, and nothing less, than that.
Problem is, people took him too seriously.

 

1. Its not nearly the same
2. It doesn't 'support the regime'
3. I don't think they would have been that distracted by murders going on because there was a boxing match in their country. I can imagine it now 'Bro, mum and dad have been killed' 'don't care bro boxing's on'

You're stretching this because of your hate

 

I agree with some of what you say Unforgiven, narcissit - definitely, NOI a whacky cult (yes but maybe not too much more wacky than other religions), he wasnt a saint, he did actually get allot of his trashtalk from wrestling - he was impressed with it

However the reason Ali was taken seriously by blacks and whites, is he came at a time when blacks were still second class citizens that were told to be subservient, were considered ugly and weak. Ali's message was loud and clear 'I'm black and proud, black is beautiful, black people should be proud of themselves and subsevient uncle tom blacks should be ashamed of themselves'. All while telling the establishment to go and **** itself. It was a voice of defiance to many and is why he's considered a hero even if allot of it was his ego talking.

 

Well the media not reporting the atrocities isn't the fault of Ali and they likely wouldn't have anyway. Usually when a sporting event is in a country with issues the issues get highlighted. Its similiar to the genocide in Rawanda, it didn't get enough coverage and it was ignored

I don't blame him for not wanting to goto war, Ali was outside the recruitment test scores and age, but they changed it to have him conscripted. Many black activists were purposely conscripted and bumped off in 'Nam. Whether Ali was a conscious objector or feared for his life, I have no problem with him not wanting to goto war.

I personally think he was a conscious objector and I don't think he was too clued up on the situation in the Philipines

 

Well, yeah, "his beliefs" were always inconsistent and not necessarily well thought through. If that's your main point, I agree.

The Mobutu thing was the same deal.
Ali, Frazier and Foreman, and Don King, seemed to benefit from the robbing of poor and oppressed people by their tin-pot dictators.
I'm pretty sure Don King wouldn't have taken the "anti-apartheid" position in the 80s, if he'd had the contracts and contacts Bob Arum had in South Africa.

The only thing that matters is the green, I suppose.
I guess Joe Louis would have fought Schmeling in Nazi Germany too, if his promoter had told him to.

 

Ali was taken seriously because, once upon a time, boxing was taken seriously.

What mattered about the loquacious Cassius Clay (and then the grimly defiant young Muhammad Ali) was:

a) he was unmistakably, uncompromisingly, proud of being black.

b) he had the bully pulpit of the office of heavyweight champion of the world.

It is easy to dismiss Ali as mere childish antics.

If a tree falls in the woods, nobody hears it and it thus makes no noise.

Ali made a lot of noise --noise that profoundly edified his people-- on the biggest stage of the world.