Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

well rjj was about the money wasn't it. at the time dawson had just struggled past glen johnson in a fight many thought he lost & wasn't even on ppv in the us...so maybe joe just thought it would be another lacy type fight that he'd get no credit for anyway & it wasn't worth it for the money on offer. tbf i'm sure there aren't many boxers who would take the less money/more risk (if it even was more risk) fight especially when they know they are pretty much shot; as calzaghe basically was.

regardless, i respect your opinion & understand why you hold it. :thumbsup

 

It is of no importance that you picked wrong. It was the I should have said after part atsch.
Who have I hyped. I never hyped Joppy and agreed with you he was a gimme to Bute, but did say it just added depth to Butes resume. Turns out Im right again as Joppy is now getting a LHW title shot this weekend.
It must be awful to be you, who keeps getting things wrong and has to spend time stalking me from thread to thread.
What a very sad joke you are. Hopefully you will get a girlfriend and stop stalking me sicko :-(

 

Swayz has completely schooled the haters making them look plain stupid.
Some fantastic posts

 

How was RJJ not viable? Please elaborate. Had Joe beaten him when he wasn't shot that would have been a major scalp.


How did Ottke duck Calzaghe? Are you sure that it wasn't Calzaghe that ducked Ottke who was the best SMW out there?

This is beside the point of the thread but Kessler travelled to fight the best. Joe travelled to fight fighters past their best.

All I said was that there was so much more for Joe to acheive than what he did. Although he does have a very good resumé it could have been better with a little less adversion to risk.

 

Calzaghe beat unbeaten German Mario Veit {30 wins out of 30 fights} by TKO in the first round after knocking him down twice in a World title match up, Veit then won his next 15 fights and became a manditory for Calzaghe who went to Germany and beat Veit on his own patch by TKO in the 6th, Veit has wins over Salem, Brewer and Braehmer who currently holds the WBO light heavyweight World title.

 

atsch "Adding depth" or hyping, you are too stupid to even understand the context of how you used Joppy. And to make you even more pathetic, you think Jones was a good win for Calzaghe, and you hype Lacy as well. You dont think you do, but when you get into these frantic 'must defend Euro fighter" mode, you pull out anything to help you, even hyping fighters. You're a piece of **** hypocrite.

 

Rematchin Mario was a joke.

 

You are right about us not knowing why fights don't get made. There are a lot of factors that come into play. But it goes both ways.
(Also, quotes where Calzaghe didn't want to risk fighting Jones have circulated these boards extensively. )

However, when a guy shows a trend of camping out on 1 (minor) belt, of not fighting top talent, of feeding on the low hanging fruit of the smw division, of questionable hometown stoppages, not taking on big challenges, he really hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt that he was take-on-all-comers type guy.


So who was he expected to fight?

My contention is that he could have moved up in weight much, much sooner if the claims are true that there was no other quality opponents. But I can't really blame the guy too much for being able to make money without the risks as opposed to making money with the risks. But I just wish people would call it straight.

Even in his own weight class, he only fought 5 guys from 97-07 who were ranked in the top 10 by Ring mag........that's 10 years. WBO mandatories and ranked fighter only hold so much value. If a guy truly wanted to be a great fighter, arent there a few things he could have done?

 

It was a manditory, it was a case of fight or lose your title but he choose to fight in Germany because the money was right, not many fight and win in Germany due to dubious officials but Joe took the challange on and got the job done in the sixth.

 

- Mario Veit has never been a top 10 ranked SMW.

- He got the gift decision vs Braehmer who had knocked Veit down in the first round, Veit somehow won a MD decision, in the rematch Braehmer knocked him out in 4 rounds.

- By the time Veit beat Brewer, Brewer was no long top 10 ranked, and was 35 years old.

- Salem was just another robbery in Germany, where Salem was deducted 2 points, and Veit only won by a Split decision a typical German scorecard had it still 4 points for Veit, while one scorecard had it 8 rounds to 4 to Salem.

- Both of Calzaghe's TKO wins were when Veit was still standing and saying WTF to the ref (

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- Mario Veit is only given ratings by ***zaghis who need to because Veit is one of their mans best wins.

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Steve Collins spent half is career chasing Roy Jones Jnr for a unification fight but Roy Jones did not want to know, not until Collins had been retired for two years anyway.
Collins had beaten Eubank and Benn both twice.

Hopkins had agreed to fight Calzaghe in 2002 and then 24 hours later Hopkins demanded double the money to fight Calzaghe.

Its hard to take Hopkins and Jones seriously sometimes, both Hopkins and Jones only wanted to fight Calzaghe when they had everything to gain but did not want to know when they had everything to lose, thats why the fights happened towards the end of their careers, when it suited Hopkins and Jones Jnr to fight Calzaghe also all the cards were in the Americans favour home advantage, home officials and Calzaghe nearer to retirement than both Hopkins or Jones with damaged hands but Calzaghe proved too good for the Americans and beat them.

 

The match up wasnt as much as a joke as the fight:-

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Where's the knockdowns realsoulja ???

Calzaghe knocked Veit down once in round 5th and once in the 6th before the referee stops the fight.

Show us the whole fight its always fun to see 'super Joe'.

 

I was discussing the TKO,

But as you can clearly see from Veit's reaction, he wasnt on ***** street and was like WTF to the ref.

Regardless, Veit was a **** brear anyway, never been ranked in the ring top 10 SMW.

Even fighters like Mads Larsen, Otis Grant, Denis Inkin, Antwun Echols, Thomas Tate, Allan Green and Jermain Taylor been in the Ring top 10.

Veit's best win is over a 35 year old Charles Brewer, a robbery over Kabery Salem and another robbery over Jurgen Braehmer who knocked out Veit in the rematch.

But for some reason Calzaghe fans like to big him up as if he is an ATG.

 

**** the mandatory, swerve the paper title then. joke fite like many of joes bogus title defences!