Calzaghe fought bums for the most part of his career but it's not his fault....

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  1. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Closer to retirement...... true.

    But why?

    To protect the "0".



    I really don't care who was at fault when they didn't fight.

    Hopkins was 43 years old when they fought. He hadn't been prime since around '04. He may be more savvy now, and have a few more tricks in his bag, but he wasn't as physically adept as he was when he was younger. His best wins as a mw(also when he wasn't young) were against smaller guys moving up, he could physically out tough them. His best wins as a lhw, with the exception of Tarver, are also against smaller guys. He knows how to pick his opponents now(such as Pascal, notice he didn't want anything to do with Dawson). It didn't work with Calzaghe, who beat him that nite.

    Jones had been shot for years. Joe knew it. He even said it.

    I don't blame a guy for taking a money fight like that. But do not call it anything other than what it was, a cash out fight.

    I thought Calzaghe was going to go a different route. He was still an effective fighter. Only he can truly know when to hang em up, but it certainly seemed that after he finally stepped up his comp(Lacy, Kessler and eventually Hopkins) that he was jumping on the world stage with both feet.

    He didn't, he retired from boxing.

    It seems Hopkins and Jones won't retire until boxing retires them. But you can't use that as evidence that they had more to give than Calzaghe when they fought.
     
  2. trampie

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    Some posters make out it was Calzaghe fault that Calzaghe and Hopkins and Calzaghe and Jones did not fight earlier this is not true, Hopkins ducked Calzaghe 24 hours after agreeing to the fight and Roy Jones ducked everybody, Dariusz Michalczewski chased Jones Jnr for six years, Steve Collins chased Jones Jnr for years and years, Calzaghe called out Jones directly after fights but it never happened, when the Americans finally fought Calzaghe the Americans lost although the fights were on the Americans terms, home advantage, now fans of the American boxers are trying to say their men would have won back in the day, well I dispute that if the bouts were in Wales or Ireland or Germany in the other boxers cases, there is no evidence to suggest that Hopkins and Jones would have won, its their fault they never took the big fights this side of the pond to try and prove themselves on the World stage thats all we are left with as a matter of fact is Calzaghe beat both Hopkins and Jones in America when Calzaghe was closer to retirement and both American boxers were on a run of success that has continued in Hopkins case, those are the facts like it or not, the case for the Americans is not fact but 'ifs' and 'buts'.
     
  3. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins never agreed to no fight with Calzaghe, he wasnt in the room when Frank Warren and Don King made them agreements.

    And it was Hopkins who called Calzaghe up to LHW, Calzaghe has never called out Hopkins in a post fight interview.

    Hopkins then made 10 - 15 Million fighting ODLH.

    Hopkins asked Calzaghe for a rematch in Cardiff many times but Calzaghe didnt want it. And Calzaghe retired by beating a shot Roy Jones Jr.
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Have you not seen Calzaghe's own quotes about Roy Jones jr.?

    Are they facts?



    Also, no offense, because I love Europe, but why would the dominant mw champion and the dominant lhw champion, both divisions have a much, much richer history and alot more prestige, travel to Europe to fight an obscure champion, in an obscure division(at the time), with an obscure belt?
     
  5. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don King agreed but Bhop pulled out, that still looks bad on Hopkins, it still looks like Hopkins ducking, I only said Calzaghe used to call out Jones after fights not Hopkins what was the point of calling Hopkins out after Hopkins ducked out in 2002.
     
  6. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins was also put on a situation he would have to drop some MW titles.

    When Hopkins was at LHW, and Calzaghe was too shook to fight Mandatory Carl Froch for the WBC SMW, then it seemed a good time for both.

    Hopkins didnt fight Calzaghe for less money at a division where some of his MW titles would have stripped and then 2 fights later he makes 10 Million plus fighting ODLH. ODLH was P4P ranked, while Calzaghe wasnt even the #1 SMW champion.

    At the time Calzaghe didnt say **** about anyone ducking him, but Hopkins still calls Calzaghe on why not rematching him in Cardiff.
     
  7. The_President

    The_President Boxing Addict banned

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    No it don't! Any real boxing fan knows very well that Hopkins and King were butting heads in the end and that Hopkins didn't want anything else to do with King.
    Calzaghe never calling out anyone, but he did have the Rent-A-Bum number in his speed-dial. Frank and Joe ordered BUMS as often and as causally as I order a pizza. Calzaghe will always be viewed as the Wales Hype Job and King Of The Bums. :yep
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Blocky Jnr. The stalker.
    I have pulled up posts that have shown you for your cheap worth. I know what I quoted so you must be too stupid to understand :lol:, still thats not a first now for you.
    You accused me of bigging up American fighters and then say I defend European fighters, make up your mind :nut.
    Thing is I have never bigged up Joppy but my point about him having another title fight completely blew you out of the water.
    Try a bit harder dip****
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    This threads still going strong. Its good to see that the great man has still got you all stewed up by beating Hopkins and Jones.
     
  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There you have just given a reason/excuse why Hopkins and Jones should not have fought Calzaghe or indeed Collins or Michalczewski etc, the case for Hopkins and Jones fighting would have been legacy to try and prove themselves the best but they didnt at the end of the day, both Hopkins and Jones were only dominant in their own country, Calzaghe at the end of his career and towards the end of Hopkins and Jones career went to the States and beat the two of them, both Hopkins and Jones are greats in my opinion and so is the man that beat the both of them Joe Calzaghe, for people to suggest that Hopkins and Jones are greats but Calzaghe is not does not stack up as Hopkins and Jones were more guilty than Calzaghe of not allowing their potential fights to happen, then when the fights did happen a near retired Calzaghe wins away from home, in Bhops case his form was excellent both before and after the Calzaghe fight and remains so to this day.
    Either Hopkins, Jones and Calzaghe are all greats or none of them are, I think that all three of them are greats, there is no case no evidence to suggest that two of them are greats and one of them isnt as regards resumes Hopkins and Jones have holes in theirs just like nearly every other boxer.
     
  11. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Wrong troll...quoteing yourself doesn't prove ****. It just makes you look like an insecure ****. You've been exposed, and badley. But don't worry, I['m sure headbanger will chime in to give your a verbal BJ to keepo you thinking you're something special. :smooch
     
  12. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This discussion isn't taking place in a vacuum.

    To get the best fights, non-US fighters usually come to the US. Few and far between are the fighters who have been able to fight significant opposition without coming to the Americas.

    You can't just say JC beat them, so was as good/better. He beat them when they were old. Jones was shot. He was better than each on the nights they fought and more power to him, but he can't lay claim that he beat either when they were at the best stages of their career.

    Hopkins and Jones competition was significantly better. As evidenced by the fact that they fought somewhere in the amount of 15 guys each who were ranked top 10 by Ring during their title reigns. About 10 years each. (94-04 Jones, 95-05 Hopkins)

    Joe fought 5 in his 10 years. 5 top 10 world class fighters in 10 years. (97-07)


    Check it out yourself..........

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings
     
  13. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    JC did beat them, Bhops and Jones were only fighting Yankee bums, no offence, you make no mention that Hopkins was 95% prime when he fought Calzaghe there is no excuse for the man that victims number Americas finest before the Calzaghe fight in Tarver and Wright and Pavlik straight after the Calzaghe fight.
    Ring is a discredited American rag, that is biased to ranking American boxers, otherwise their sales would drop off, remember it is said they fabricated records of selected boxers, to elevate them, thereby securing them lucrative fights on the American television, they were apparently hoping to address the fact that most of the World titles were held by non American boxers.

    The bottom line is prime for prime Calzaghe beats Hopkins everytime and as regards Jones his career took a downturn after he was caught with a performance enhancing drug in his system, at the time lots of top American sports stars were caught in the balco scandal, Jones never fought away for most of his career suspiciously either, there is strick testing in the UK, when Jones finally fought away he lost in the first round to an Aussie, cant see Jones beating Calzaghe in Wales prime for prime.
     
  14. g.dog

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    dont matter were they fought, prime 4 prime R.J ices Joe.
     
  15. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roy does not beat Joe in Wales unless he has been taking something he shouldnt, again.:-(