Wladimir says, he took Chisora because he did´nt trust Haye

You didn't answer my question.

If he wants the Haye fight so bad, just drop the Chisora idea as this appears to be main stumbling block.

 

This doesn't make sense.

If he doesn't trust Haye will ever fight, why make such ludicrous demands? And if he didn't think Haye was going to fight, why would Haye accept to fighting in Germany? That would have been a PERFECT and legitimate excuse for Haye, yet he accepted every single one of Wlad's demands.

If Haye wasn't going to fight, he wouldn't have agreed to everything. Of course, Wlad fans lack common sense though.

Wlad wanted a way out, not Haye, which is why he only mentioned Chisora after Haye accepted everything.

 

No, you didn't. So, I'll ask again - if WALDO doesn't trust Haye, why even bother trying to negotiate a fight with him?

 

I don't like Haye but I think in this case they are both to blame. The Wlad nuthuggers will bash Haye and Haye nuthuggers Wlad but the neutral fans will be left with the bad taste of another big fight falling apart

 

I don't see how Wlad has been unreasonable. I don't fully blame Haye either though, it seems to me that Sky have ****ed this up. I still think it can be resolved

 

Yes, because if he doesn't trust Haye to ever fight him, then he wouldn't bother entering into the discussion. Why you insist on bringing up 09 is beyond me. Had I asked you if Haye would agree to terms would WALDO fight Chisora first you would have said no. Plus, if terms were agreed and it was Haye fighting Chisora, then you would be all over him like a rash. The 'staying active' excuses just doesn't really wash. He will be sharp after a long camp and being a seasoned pro he just doesn't need Chisora. Why jepordise the Haye fight?

 

Apparently Wlad is fighting Adamek, which would kill any chance of the fight happening in the future.

I don't mind Haye/Chagaev and then Haye/Wlad. I'd just prefer the two fights which are now both unlikely. If Wlad fights Chisora, we'll only get one Haye/Klitschko fight. Of he fights Adamek, we may not get one.

 

Read the goldenboy promotion opinion. They say that to promote a fight of this magnitude for 8 weeks is ridiculous and I tend to agree. It's the biggest fight in the ****ing division it shoul be promoted correctly. Also the risk of Wlad getting hurt or cut is considerable. Haye is also to blame of course.

 

Haye should retire. He has proven nothing (at least in the HW division) and will soon be forgotten. He thinks he is one hell of a fighter and a star, but only the UK people (and only some of them) believe that as well.

 

1.Does not trust him:good

2.why negotiate to fight him:rofl:rofl


It is wlads' obligation to his fans to negotiate with hayes, but if he does not trust him, he has to ensure he does not get taken in the deal. He does not fully believe hayes will show up on july 2, so to ensure he does not have a repeat of 2009, he sets up this bout in april. As a fan, i feel wlad full filled his obligation to his fans by getting the fight done, an i am sure wlad will give the little ***** hayes another chance, but not were wlad risk losing money, why should he, no question hayes knows if he backs out now in july, he cost wlad two paydays, an this is were the trust thing comes into play. ........

HAYES IS A ***** WHO IS DUCKING OUT ON 10 MILLION PLUS DOLLARS, WERE WLADS STILL GOING TO GET PAID ON JULY 2 AN APRIL 30, I GUESS HE GOT THAT MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING SPEACH FROM LEWIS, WHO DUCKED VITALI, AN LOST OUT ON 30 MILLION, WELL HAYES NEVER WAS THAT GOOD OF A HEAVWEIGHT.......:yep:yep:yep:yep:yep

 

are you ****ing stupid? he pulled out because Setanta went under, he isnt gonna fight for free is he!

 

Is there even any point in responding to this drivel?

I mean, if you can't even see that BOTH parties have a portion of blame or that WALDO's Chisora decision is a daft one, then I don't see any point.

 

This current situation is like a complicated puzzle, I don't really know what to believe at the moment. Too much speculation has came out in the last few days and I'm struggling to keep up here. I'd love someone to come along and, stating all of the facts, present a clear solution to what can and should happen to get Haye and Wlad in the ring

Ideally for me, Wlad will fight Chisora then Adamek. In the meantime Vitali steps in to fight Haye. I just want a Haye-Klitschko fight this year