How dispiriting is a devastating YouTube KO 2 a fighter?

Never thought of this before JG..modern bells and whistles like YouTube and other similar video sources are a blessing to the armchair boxing advocate that would just about never see most of the greats of the sport...and definitely miss out on being the "instant boxing experts" that we have in abundance today...but for what you've mentioned here, the internet is surely a double-edged sword.

 

well, it certainly doesn't help the glass jaw ******s.

 

"there are glass jaws in boxing"
says arrogant cockless ***** look at these youtube clips of domestic fighters getting knocked out.




anyways, yeah i think jaidon codrington for example, was seen as the chinny dude that got sparked out by allen green. he was a decent super middlewieght/light heavy. not spectacular or championship level but he was a dooer in the division. i think once his ko became an internet meme it didnt help. it destroys your confidence and it doesn't help the people who surround you (out side the gym) who are not as quick to say they support you dude to the nature of the ko.

zab judah as well i think found it hard to come to terms with the tzsyu ko.

it also changes the outcome and need of fights. back in the day you koed people so you could get rid of them early or just due to the accumulation of a beating. i think now it's become a highlight reel career that fighters want. it doesn't matter oe the fight occurred as long as you get that reel ko.

but as it's been said it is a double edged sword. allen greens career blew up after that win. even though it was a small fight. he was now thought of as a puncher and was in demand.

 

Good insight, John. One of the big problems with today's game is exalted status of the perfect record. God damn it, great fighters need to lose! They need to lose to learn to be better, a la Jack Johnson, Ketchel, Langford, Walker, Greb, Tunney, Dempsey, Louis... Hell, even Wlad got a helluva lot better once he started losing. He changed his style, rededicated and might even have found out he has a set of balls (well, maybe that is going too far)...

 

I would assume that just being knocked out dose bad things to one's confidance. Youtube or no youtube. I'm sure the youtube factor increasces the embarsement factor.

 

i doubt theyd watch it

 

It could work for them, as we all know fighters can be caught and KO'd with a once in a lifetime shot, now maybe there future opponents think they can replicate this, and it plays right into the hands of the KO'd man.

 

I dont think youtube as much as the media. Look at the number the media did on Holyfield before he faced Tyson. You gotta have iron nuts to get through that mentally and go out and perform like he did.

 

I think it levels out. They can watch their ko highlights of previous fights.

 

I guess it gives Zak Man something to do.

 

I think another thing is, bouncing back from a loss and getting your confidence back may have been easier when you fight every 2weeks, staying out of the ring and focusing on your loss makes it worse.

If I was a boxer with a recent loss I don't think I'd come on ESB afterwards

 

great thread john g and i made a post a little while ago wondering how our perspectives on great fighters in the past would change if we had a youtube videos back then.

what would we think of harry greb if we could watch his knockout to joe chip with a wicked guitar solo in the background over and over

or if we could watch an internet clip of tiger flowers getting demolished in two rounds by langford, justifying claims of his "glass jaw" since only glass jawed fighters get knocked out

or the haters would have proof that fitzsimmons was wildly overrated as, complimented with sound effects, we had a 30 second clip of his flattening by jefferies

with the internet, what would the general perception be of fighters in the past if we could constantly revisit their knockouts and worst in ring moments, without the benefit of context or objective analysis?

 

On the other hand we could view their hundreds of wins (and KO's in some cases) in high definition. So it goes both ways. In many cases the only decent quality footage we have of an old timer is their worst moment, such as Fitzsimmons vs Lang. Imagine the only footage of Wladimir Klitschko being his embarrassing KO loss to Corrie Sanders.