Err didn't Haye duck Wlad to fight Harrison first?

Bs, haye ain't fighting before 3 April. That's a fact.
He will ask for an extension.

 

Not fighting before, A SIGNED CONTRACT must be in place before, word for word exactly what's in my post you just quoted.:-(

 

Unless Haye pays Chagaev to step aside, which he could have but he chose not to :deal

 

No he couldn't since there's no garauntee Klitschko will be champion after April 30th.:deal

He pays Chagaev a step aside fee only for Wlad to lose thus rematching Chisora and Haye would have to fight the guy he paid to step aside

You're not thinking this through are you?

 

A major stumbling block for the April 11 fight between Vlad & Haye is that Sky refused to put on a PPV event until July, due to April PPV already contracted with Khans people. Why should Vladimir wait until July?, Haye has already pulled out to fight an easier fight in Valuev once already. Haye now needs to chase down Vitali, trust me a Chagaev mandatory is a disaster for him, no major money to earn, and an understed opponent who may beat him, i will be putting a cheeky put on Chagaev!.

 

sorry i meant cheeky punt (bet)

 

History will show Wlad had a choice, fight Chisora, a 14-0 nobody who looks terrible in the ring, or wait 2 months to fight arguably the biggest name/threat of his career.

History will not be as kind as those giving Wlad a free pass today because he couldn't wait 2 months wanting to stay busy.

 

Haye'S HW record doesn't indicate that he's any type of threat. In fact his HW record doesn't get him anywhere close to the best opponent in Wlad's record.

If you're talking records, if Wlad e.g. faced Adamek instead of Haye history will look at the combined HW & CW records of both fighters and see that see that Adamek was the more experienced fighter with the stronger overall record. The only thing that sets Haye's status apart is the fact that he happens to carry a belt, that's all. Note I am strictly talking about records here, not about styles. I realize Haye is much more of a threat to Wlad specifically style-wise than his record indicates. But we all know boxing history tends to disregard styles and unfortunately tends to weight records more strongly.

If Wlad beat Adamek this year and Haye retired in October fighting one or two nobodies nobody in history will ever wonder why the hell Haye never managed to end up in the ring with either Klitschko. He will go down as a loudmouth who for whatever reason in his three years at HW was unable to organize a single memorable fight.

What history will question though is Haye's desire and passion for the sport and the business acumen of his management.

 

Haye made more fighting Valuev on Sky ppv than he would have fighting Wlad on Setanta dip****............

 

You're right to an extent but Hayes cruiserweight stint plays its part, of course it does, just look at how highly Holyfield is regarded and that's not purely down to his HW record.

You ask what is Haye's place in history but that's not the point I'm making. Like I've said before even if he was to beat the Klitschkos he'll be a footnote in boxing lore due to his inactivity and early retirement. This is about Wlad.

So give me 5 fighters Wlad has fought regarded higher than Haye? and please don't say Adamek, fat Arreola who's done nothing at HW, 10 years removed from prime Grant and 12-14 years removed from prime Golota are hardly better than what Hayes faced.

Byrd and maybe Peter but after that Haye has a solid argument to be rated if not better then more dangerous than Brewster, Chagaev, Thompson, Brock, Chambers, Ibragimov etc.

The main point being Haye has been top 3 and the highest rated guy Wlad could have faced for over 14 months now, by the time Haye retires it'll be 2 years Wlad didn't face the highest ranked contender and more importantly chose a 14-0 novice over him.

I hope this is all just games to run down options and TV deals but if not history will look at this in a very negative light.

 

The Klitshcko's definitely want to run out their contract with RTL before fighting Haye, which is fair enough. They only have 2 more fights (Vitali-Solis and Wlad-Chisora) before they are free to negotiate a better deal on the Haye fight, either with RTL or with another german network. It was clever of them to offer Haye the July 2nd date because they knew if Haye accepted he would have to face his mandatory first (Chagaev) in March or be stripped of his WBA title.

For whatever reason Haye rejected the July 2nd date. I agree with LondonW2, hes not willing to risk fighting Chagaev, since he'll risk losing the paycheck he's been bullshitting everybody for since he stepped up to hw. I for one am laughing at Haye and Booth right now, Boente and Klitchkos got em looking like fools!!

 

Haye accepted the July 2nd date first, he had no option but to reject it after Wlad announced Chisora, otherwise it wouldn't be a unification would it? That's the reason.

Add to this notion that Haye doesn't want to fight Chagaev, that's crazy because if he doesn't Povetkin is the next in line, a higher ranked far more dangerous opponent. Plus the fact Chagaev looked like complete **** in his last fight, you think Haye's unwilling to face THAT? Seriously?

Finally once Haye is rid of his mandatory that means he has till the end of the year where he can choose any voluntary challenger he wishes, back to the old low risk/high reward equation, the motivation to fight the Klitschkos might not be there.

I'd like you also to explain how he's been bullshitting everyone since stepping up to HW.

 

I will add if he doesn't want to face Chagaev it's purely down to Hep C and for that I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to be faced with an opponent carrying Hep C either.

 

No idea what you are talking about, why on earth wouldn't it be a unification?? You think Chisora is gonna spark Wlad??

Haye doesn't wanna fight Povetkin either, too high-risk low-reward. He set his sights on Wlad, and no other fight can compare to that in terms of financial gain.

That is rubbish. Haye wants the Wlad fight too much just to let it go, and go back to fighting Valuevs and Ruizes. He wouldn't hear the end of it if the fight didn't come off.

When Haye stepped up to heavy all he could talk about was reviving the heavyweight scene and bringing back some excitement. What Haye has done is the opposite, picking mismatched opponents and building them up in order to sell the fight. It's been terrible for boxing, all talk and no walk. Avoiding Vitali. Basically, he's a hypocrite and he's doing it purely for the money :deal

 

Lol...why can't he fight both? Haye had a contract for July 2nd, he turned the **** down, which is offer number 7 or 8 from K2 to Haye. His "out" is that Wlad is fighting someone else too...boo ****ing hoo, don't worry about Wlad worry about Haye. He was offered a fight and refused the fight, end of discussion.