Inconsistency of Wladimir's fans

That's because it does nothing.

Look back historically, so many great fighters would think nothing of having fights 9 weeks apart. Wlad fights a bum, then a little over 2 months later, he beats the **** out of Haye. Easy. It's happened hundreds of times beforehand. Only a ****ing ****** thinks it wold be a problem.

In fact, I don't think such a gay excuse for avoiding a fight has ever been used in the history of the sport. Especially when you add in that this excuse apparently also covers fighting Vitali!

"Oh, Wlad, you can't possibly be ready to fight me. Not 9 weeks after smashing a tomato can. So I refuse to fight you. Oh, and Vitali, you can't possibly be ready to fight me, not 9 weeks after.... after.... um.... well **** me. My excuse doesn't really work for Vitali. But that's ok. I don't need a reasonable excuse to duck Vitali, because my fans are the most ******ed ****s in history. This I will rematch Audley and get a few more million from them!"

 

You're continuing to be thick as ****.

Read about what has happened before you jump on Wlad's ****.

Please don't reply to me again unless you go and read.

 

I've read this thread, the news articles on the main page, and a dozen other stupid threads about this.

Unless there is something brand new then there is nothing else for me to read. If there is, then please provide a link, because I am sure the whole forum would want to know about it.

So what I said stands. There has never been a bitchier reason for ****ing out on a fight, in the history of boxing.

Continuing to suck on Haye's **** while he shits all over you is pathetic.

Oh, and Haye? Sign the ****ing contract, ******. Your bull**** is fooling your ****ed up fansbase, but the respect of those losers means less than nothing.

 

The inconsistency that annoys me is that when Haye chose Valuev over Vitali it was "coward, chicken, ducker" etc etc, yet when Vitali chose Chisora over Haye it's "Genius, Good on him, teach Haye a lesson!!". Complete hypocritical bull****.

Haye wasn't to blame for the original Wlad fight, that was Setanta going under, stop deluding yourselves by blaming Haye.
Choosing Valuev over Vitali is similar to what Wlad has just done choosing Chisora.
NEITHER party could reach an agreement last year and since there's a great possibility both are full of **** with what they tell the public how can anyone blame Haye 100%??

 

People need to get over the whole pulling out of the 2009 fight thing. If people could actually think objectively instead of like teeny bopper fanboys then it's pretty simple. Haye's contracted TV company collapsed and he was going to have to fight for nothing. There isn't a fighter in boxing who would have fought that fight for absolutely nothing. It was an unfortunate turn of events, that has actually worked well as it has allowed the fight to grow. Haye now brings a belt to the table, making it a unification fight and has a PPV deal of which Wlad will earn 50%. The pullout has meant that this fight will now be Wlads career high payday. Get over it.

Haye had agreed to Wlad's terms and the fight was set. Wlad knew that in order for the Haye fight to go ahead in June then he would not be able to fight Chisora, as otherwise Haye would have to fight a mandatory which could not be facilitated by UK TV. He knew this was the case and instead chose to sign to box 14 fight, British level Derek Chisora - excused because Haye had pulled out of one fight in his career when he stood to make no money whatsoever. And this behaviour is being applauded as 'genius' by his fans.

****ing hell . . . being a fan of something or someone does not mean you have to blindly accept and defend what they do. No one is infallible!

 

Chappy is right... you are as thick as ****.... you clearly don't understand how contracts in boxing work. I'll put it in big letters for you.

HAYE CAN NOT SIGN A CONTRACT WITH WLAD BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONTRACT, JUST A VERBAL AGREEMENT. (still with me?) THERE CAN BE NO CONTRACT UNTIL AFTER THE CHISORA FIGHT WHICH MEANS HAYE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO FIGHT HIS MANDATORY WHICH WILL HAPPEN IN MAY WHICH IS FAR TOO CLOSE TO THE 2ND JULY DATE TO MAKE THIS FIGHT PLAUSIBLE...

Are you ******ed? seriously... i thought i saw your name on a loaf of bread the other day then i realised it said 'thick CUT'

 

:happy:good... ****ing hell man... you've actually used logic and reasoning on ESB GF... you are bound to get ripped apart by the Klitties and Hayeters for that

 

Someone with a brain yeyyyy :happy

 

If there is some law which states that Haye can't sign a contract with Wlad until after the Chisora fight, then I am happy to say that changes my perspective. That's reasonable, right? That's being open, yeah?

Now, if you can provide some evidence, then I will happily concede that Wlad has put Haye into a position where he isn't to blame.

Can I get fairer than that?

 

Right. I'll explain.

Haye has to make a mandatory defence of his WBA title against Chagaev by June. The WBA will let Haye delay this defence if he is to fight a unification fight, otherwise the fight must take place or he will be stripped of his title.

SO . . . Haye needs to have a signed contract with Wlad saying that unification fight will take place between the two. However, if Wlad signs to fight Derek Chisora of April 30th he can't possibly sign a contract for a unification fight with Haye for after the fight as he might not even be champion anymore! Therefore by fighting Chisora, Wlad makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a unification fight to be signed, meaning that Haye must fight Chagaev or lose his own title. Wlad new that this was the case and still proceeded with the Chisora fight. That is the point that a lot of people are making.

So, that is why Haye said that if Wlad fights Chisora then the fight cannot take place in June. All the other conditions were agreed, it just need Wlad not to fight Chisora and the fight would be on for June. Instead he signed to fight Del Boy and now some are calling this a 'Genius' move by Wlad while others are claiming Haye is ducking.

 

It's on a lot of the news sites, I seen it on ESPN earlier. With Wlad fighting Chisora Haye can't sign to fight Wlad. He has to defend against Chagaev which due to the same TV problems as with Wlad can't happen until May at the earliest making July 2nd impossible for Haye.

WBA won't allow Haye to fight Klitschko next without facing Chagaev if Wlad is fighting Chisora because what if Chisora wins? or Wlad gets injured? Haye will then have not defending his belt and will be stripped of it.

This is why we think Wlad has bitched out because why did he go through all the contract talks and then decide to fight Chisora? It's because he knew that with the TV etc it put Haye in a position where it was impossible for him to fight. I guess it worked too because a lot of people think Haye has ducked Wlad but to me it's clear he's not.

 

think about this klitschko fans:

if wlad had have faced chisora in december,then the gap between that fight and july 2nd for haye fight would have been much smaller amount of time,which surely would have been fine for not needing a tune up before hand.

you all claim he had a legit injury,but yet why did his 2 managers give two different types of injuries with 2 different dates for recovery time?.and then he ends up golfing on holiday only weeks later!,and of course,he didnt play golf,but was for documentary,sure wlad,all you say is truth,right?. lol.

and if he really wanted the fight but didnt trust Haye why did he not get haye to sign a clause that said if haye pulled out for any reasons he would have to pay a hefy fine and also they would get options on him or what ever aswell if he wasnt injured and fought another opponent?.

He could have done all of these to make the fight.

Haye did everything asked of him,and Wlad waited till everything was fine.

you all seem happy that wlad got"payback" on haye and pulled out on him as revenge.

but haye had his tv go bust,who wouldnt have got paid and his k bro contact was not good back then,he was just being smart,as was fighting and winning a title,which made them have to give him a better deal,and need him so they can get that final title.

also,you think its cool that wlad pulled out and punked haye back?

but really hes mocking all boxing fans,getting all hopes up,to say f*ck you lot,im fightin this cocky newb who is not in any way dangerous.

an yet you still support this guy?.hahaaaa.

 

Oh and Rushman I apologise for being aggressive I was just getting pissed with all these ignorant Wlad fans. They don't even debate they just say 'Haye a *****!' etc it's just boring and annoying.

 

second that man,good stuff,just plain reason and brain power used here,a rare treat.

Wlad is laughin at boxing fans while he fights chisora,and his german fans get to watch him for free,and i bet most pay nothin to see him live,and even prob get free tickets to fill up seats.

the dates of his 3 fights do not make sense for training camps,rest periods,possible injuries,and promotion of fights.

 

Thank you for explaining that clearly. I have waded through a lot of **** about this topic, and that is the first time that has been stated like that.
The only issue that had been raised coherently is that Wlad would not be ready in 9 weeks - which is of course stupid.

I will wait until I hear the other side of the story. No offense, but I know you are a fan of Haye. However, the situation you have painted makes it sound like Wlad's choice has taken away Haye's choice. That's not a genius move, it is ensuring that the fight everyone wants - doesn't happen.
If that is what has actually happened, then I am going to be really disappointed, and will duly agree that Wlad is the one acting like the ****, and that my criticism of Haye is currently misplaced.