I Thought Ali Won The F.o.t.c.

So you would consider your Burley obsession 'mad'?

 

You silly twat.

 

Yeah, I thought Baldomir beat Floyd as well, he had some effective aggression going on...........:bbb

 

bull**** fraizer whooped that ass and they both knew it, once fraizer got smokin ali couldnt do much

 

Yeh, I haven't watched the fight in awhile but I scored it for Ali also.

I always wanted to see the punchstats on that fight, I thought Ali controlled the most-part of the fight with his jab and would've landed double the overall number of punches Frazier did.

Having said that I'm able to acknowledge my opinion isn't the be-all end-all and that if virtually everyone agrees Frazier won the fight, then he won the fight.

 

de leted

 

Joe beat Ali soundly, with the knockdown in the 15th as the clincher.

Ali if memory serves spent a lot of time eating hooks and backing up, and not doing much. He won rounds, kept it close to be honest, but Joe won it.

The following fights were a different story. Joe was a broken man by the time they took a trip to the Phillipines.

 

de leted

 

hey dude im not sayin tyson is a bum like sum guys on here.....but i watched tyson/tucker last nite..........tyson struggled dude..........ali would easily beat tucker...........and joe frazier would knock him out....tyson couldnt:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

I'm not saying his will...but he diminished as a fighter.

But not in the heart department.

 

If you look closely at the scoring criteria the fight they were scored under (NYSAC rules of the early 1970s) aggression was seen as very important, whether it was effective or not. Thus, whoever started exchanges had an instant advantage in the scoring of a round. Furthermore, New York judges tended to be much more harsh on clinching in those days, and both boxers knew it.

Taking this into account, I think any scorecard that scores it for Frazier for LESS than 8-6-1 Frazier (Mercante's scorecard) is pretty unreasonable. I personally scored it 10-5 Frazier, and it isn't too much of a stretch to score the bout 11-4 Frazier (as one judge did). Had it been scored on a 10-points must system, I'd have had Frazier winning 145-138, ie. a 7 point lead (due to the 11th and 15th rounds). That's a huge edge, which doesn't reflect how close the fight actually was (round by round Frazier dominated, but Ali inflicted a lot of damage and held his own in every individual round).

 

I counted them a while ago. Only counted the number of punches though, not how many landed:

-FRAZIERS STATS-

Round 1 31
Round 2 29
Round 3 37
Round 4 42
Round 5 38
Round 6 54
Round 7 51
Round 8 73
Round 9 44
Round 10 49
Round 11 63
Round 12 53
Round 13 62
Round 14 32
Round 15 43

Total punches thrown: 701.
Average punch output per round: 47.

-ALI'S STATS-

Round 1 53
Round 2 66
Round 3 63
Round 4 66
Round 5 72
Round 6 43
Round 7 60
Round 8 46
Round 9 81
Round 10 66
Round 11 46
Round 12 58
Round 13 65
Round 14 65
Round 15 57



Total punches thrown: 907.
Average punch output per round: 60.


It should be noted that Frazier threw a negligible amount of jabs. A lot of his punches were power punches, where Ali threw many jabs.